It's widely known that the market is used by RMT to earn and traffic gil. It's also why RMT teleport hacks are being used all over the world to farm gathering nodes as well as stealing kills on anything that drops crafting materials.
I know no one wants to hear this, but until they solve the problem...they should LOCK the Market. No market means RMT lose huge incentives and resources to do their thing.
If I'm wrong about this making things harder on RMTs please let me know(it's just how I see it) but if you just don't want to lose Market access because you won't be rolling in dough I'm not interested(but feel free to post anyway).
I buy and sell on the market regularly myself so this wouldn't exactly be a cake walk for me either but as a crafter/gatherer it would make acquiring materials from creatures in the world possible w/o having to buy them in the first place.
RMT and the Market
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10-09-2013, 12:27 AMRiko_113RMT and the Market
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10-09-2013, 12:36 AMRyios
Well, until they fix the SessionID security hole in the launcher... People get session hacked like crazy. When they fix that and ban/restore all those hacked accounts to their proper owners there is no reliable way to hurt RMT.
Imo they should make the market level 30 instead of 20. Once they fix the sesssion security hole and get rid of all those level 50 rmt's RMT will have to level to 30 to use the Market, which slows them down a great deal. This forces them to have dedicated market accounts and when they get banned they have to relevel to 30. And any accounts interacting with that level 30 will also get banned, that slows them down a lot already.
The reason RMT is so crazy right now is that all you need to hack someone is their Session ID which can be obtained with a java applet people run on Fan Sites not knowing any better (that are RMT sites in disguise). -
10-09-2013, 12:45 AMRiko_113It's sad that even security token isn't safe anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryios
And I think moving Market up to lvl 30 is a great idea. I know in other games with different mail systems(and slower leveling) putting a lvl cap to mail really slowed them down tremendously. -
10-09-2013, 10:15 PMRiko_113
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10-09-2013, 10:49 PMSumara
I think there should be more GMs policing the Zones/Cities. Give people options other than Blacklist to help with reporting RMTs. At least let us jail them until a GM pops up. If they its a legitimate jailing, no repercussions made to the reporting player, if it was trying to be funny jail the reporting player for a day or so. that would keep people from abusing the system. 3 times jailed for "being funny" can be a suspension. Can't report/jail players until level 40+. You can put limits on these kinds of things. As is right now, you can't get a hold of a GM to save your life, and I doubt one has ever been seen...:mad:
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10-09-2013, 10:57 PMDaasWhereas I applaud the idea in theory, reality is that there are more level 40-50 arseholes that would abuse that "power" than there are RMT accounts. Factor in the point you made regarding an overall lack of GMs and a griefed player could be locked out for days at a clip.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sumara
Right click ignore/report + more CS/GM staffing. That's the solution and one would think that if there were so many new accounts created that then placed unforeseen stress in the servers, then there was an unforeseen influx of cash ($30 per account) that could be spent on fixing this issue. -
10-09-2013, 11:10 PMAmenianCan't report players until level 40? Think about the ramifications of that for a minute and tell us again if you think that's a good idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sumara
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10-09-2013, 11:17 PMSumara
Amenian, reread my post. *Report/Jail* Daas understood what was being said, so again reread. You can report a player anytime, but report/jailing is a different story. that is what was typed. Don't attack people on what they say without fully understanding what was said. Reading Comprehension is a Good Thing.
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10-09-2013, 11:21 PMNeoAmonYou are not going by that retarded thread which was posted few days ago from Reddit about Session IDs, are you? I can tell you as an Engineer, there was a lot of misinformationin in that thread. Yes One time password is still secure and can't be brute forced or guessed within any realistic time frame. The only danger is the usual malwares/viruses/keylogers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryios
Here, have a read :)
http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...s_are_useless/ -
10-10-2013, 12:27 AMAmenianSee, I wasn't attacking anybody, so calm your tits. I was asking you to take another look at your idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sumara
I also think giving players the power to jail people, regardless of their level is a bad, bad idea. Punitive action, even arrest, should only be handled by SE. If they don't have enough GMs, hire more, but don't give players that kind of power. It will be abused and any amount of punitive actions for abuse will not prevent it. -
10-10-2013, 12:34 AMVaen
Ugh, THIS thread again?
Some people play the game only for the game economy. A huge reason I play FFXIV is because I like to earn gil from the market boards while I level crafting. Without the market boards a huge chunk of the game would be pointless for me. What you're proposing only ruins the game.
Even though it isn't instantaneous or clearly visible to us, I'm pretty sure SE is taking action against the botters and RMTers and they're doing it in a way that isn't going to royally fuck up the game.
Anyway, how will temporarily locking the market board actually solve anything? Whats to stop RMTers from coming back once they unlock it? -
10-10-2013, 12:58 AMRiko_113The fact that you play an MMO exclusively for the market is just wierd but if that's your thing...have fun. I'd recommend trying Ebay, personally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vaen
Players with that priority are such a freaking small minority that I don't see how anyone could take that into consideration when making decisions regarding the good of the whole player base. I'm sure they are working on it and they've made progress but this would only be a temporary method of alleviating the RMT problem until then.
And your last question wasn't even necessary. In my original post i said "until they solve the problem...they should LOCK the Market". Meaning that once the problem is solved and the market is unlocked...so there would be no issue with the RMTs coming back afterwards. <.< -
10-10-2013, 03:42 AMVaenWhat makes you think that crafters and gatherers who play this game for the in-game economy are such a small minority? There are huge free companies dedicated just to crafting. Crafting is an integral part of this game and the in-game economy is a big draw for many players. It's also what keeps a lot of players subscribing and active in the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Riko_113
Maybe you haven't played a lot of MMOs? How can you not understand how essential the game economy is to this type of game? It kinda boggles my mind.
Also, there's no magic way that they can definitively "solve the problem" forever. No matter what they do, RMTers and hackers will still try to find ways around the system. So how would they know when to unlock the boards?
And as soon as they did unlock the boards, RMTers and botters would rush to find new ways to mess with things. Your "solution" to lock the boards until somehow the problem is "solved" doesn't actually help the situation in any way. -
10-10-2013, 11:10 PMRiko_113Um, because it's a fact that they are a minority. You're confusing other players interest in the economy and crafting/gathering as them caring more about it than anything else. For every "huge" FC for crafting there is 100 or more for PVE or PVP(and even pvp is a minority).Quote:
Originally Posted by Vaen
I've played MMOs for over 10 years. Don't try to make up things to prove your point. And speaking of other MMOs. If the economy is your sole focus, there are plenty of other MMOs with fully established economies you could be playing since they are rarely as different as normal MMO content.
You're right, there is no magic way, however with your vast MMO experience you should know that most MMOs have done an excellent job of decreasing RMTs to the point where it's not just a burden to the players. Please stop scraping for things to try and make a valid point other than "I don't like this because I want money". They will know when to open when they have found a solution that they feel will eliminate a bulk of the problem. Simple as that.
Again, you're scraping here. Every criminal group in the world for all of human history has worked to find ways around blockades..it's kind of their job. Human nature is not a reason to give up looking for solutions or Laws, and Law enforcement wouldn't exist. Stop trying to support RMT just because you don't want to miss out on being the Market top seller.
You've clearly missed the point. My suggestion to temporarily close the market place wasn't meant as the solution. It is a temporary measure to help the game until a solution has been implemented. All you've done is rage how you don't want to lose money and how you think that people who do nothing but play the Market are the ones that keep this game running. If you didn't agree that this method would help, explain why and provide an alternative. The fact you don't like this method is irrelevant. -
10-10-2013, 11:12 PMTupsi
Locking the market board does nothing - If RMT vendors all of the items they get from botting, the amount of this + the unmanned nature of botting = Tons of gil, so you'd have to lock selling to NPCs as well and you pretty much hinder everyone at that point.
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10-10-2013, 11:13 PMAnnahNo offense to you, but this is probably one of the worse ideas I have heard of on these forums. I am blessed you are not a developer!Quote:
Originally Posted by Riko_113
I am not playing the game for combat. Yes, I have a lvl 43 WHM but I haven't leveled her in two weeks. I am a crafter and I am a gatherer. You take out the market then you basically take away many other things tied to it -
10-10-2013, 11:18 PMAstralen
What's "RMT"? :)
Real Money Transfer? -
10-10-2013, 11:22 PMRiko_113I appreciate you actually giving input.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tupsi
But if it was as lucrative as the Market, why would they bother giving up 5% of their money on each transaction instead of just vendoring in the first place. Also, it completely cuts out a major method of transfering the money through the Market as well as all of the people who got caught up in it by unknowingly buying/selling to them. Normal Vendors don't provide any of those options.
@Astralen "R M T" Real Money Traders. The people that are spamming chat all day and botting to sell gil to players for real money on their websites as well as hacking player accounts. -
10-10-2013, 11:24 PMWolfhammerYou serious?Quote:
Originally Posted by Astralen
Ok i'll bite... TRADE -
10-10-2013, 11:30 PMTupsiMarket Boards are just the fastest way to do it even if you lose a portion of it - Even being unmanned it would take quite awhile to get the same sum of gil through NPC that you could get from 1 set of shards on markets. A lot of RMT from what I seen either asks you to friend them so they can mail money or they buy certain item(s) from you, so it does get rid of a way for SE to see who is doing RMT but you can't really stop em from making gil since like in 1.0, they can easily create numerous characters (or hacks :\) to run initial quests and low level crafting rewards ad infinitum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Riko_113
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10-10-2013, 11:39 PMRiko_113Every MMO i've played over the past 10 years has created lesser solutions to RMTs by SLOWING them down. Which is why there are level caps and friend request requirements. As others have said, there may be no permanent solution but slowing them down is a damn good place to start and very effective.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tupsi
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10-11-2013, 12:38 AMJoshhoowah
Considering how v1.0’s market system was considered a huge flaw and how ill received the last RMT measures were taken, it’s ludicrous to suggest this. Explaining why is detail is waste of time.
Here’s a suggestion that make actually help players. The major problem right now is bot farming, not mining; Fleece for example. Stopping the market sale of some of the dropped items might allow players to farm them for themselves or FC members.
Let’s stop swatting flies with sledgehammers. -
10-14-2013, 09:00 PMAstralenShit man, I deeply apologise that I wasn't born with that particular bit of information pre-implemented in my brain like you and a few others here on the forums.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfhammer
I guess I'll have to use the search function then. I bet it's way less rude than you.