The (real) power of being a healer

Yesterday I did the lvl 24 dungeon and there was this jerk complaining because two of us were watching the cut-scenes. "Watch them on youtube", "play single games" and all crap like that. Too bad that I am on PS3 so I couldn't reply accordingly (typing is a nightmare). So I thought about the following:

Since now on I'll watch ALL cutscenes as a healer. I'll make a macro:

/party "Yes, I like to watch the cutscenes. I paid for it. Do you have any problem with that? If you're not happy I may leave. You'd rather wait another 2 hours trying to find another healer?"

Really, people like that guy should be kicked in the butt. Also did anyone notice that usually they are the tanks? Apparently since they are always the first to move forward some of them think they own the game..

/end rant

It's a power easily abused. I have the luxury of not having to wait an hour for a new group when I ditch a dungeon.

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Envoyé par 16bitBounty

It's a power easily abused. I have the luxury of not having to wait an hour for a new group when I ditch a dungeon.

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Yes. that is what I meant indeed. As a healer I usually wait less than a minute, even a second to start another dungeon. So I am using it to collect special gear.

This is really a thing? I wish I would run into some snotty little entitled tank that did this. That is just insanity. If you've run the duty before, and can't wait a few minutes for cutscenes, why use the duty finder to run it again? Just get a party of friends to run it and all skip the scenes...I would have made sure to let him die on the final boss before I politely abandoned duty and found another willing party. Never offend your healer.

lol no healer GG! yea this happens alot to players that just want to enjoy the game and all it has to offer. I for one skip cuts now only because ive seen them all and at endgame you just want to be as timely as possible but a lvl24 dungeon shouldn't have many high lvl players running it just for item drops -_- and if he was just a lower lvl tank that felt he could control the pace of the party without the healers consent he was highly mistaken ;P.

seem he was just being a jerk or running the dungeon for a second or third class (either way he has no right to rush others) idk why ppl don't just grp for content they know they want to speed thru!

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Envoyé par Michelasso

Too bad that I am on PS3 so I couldn't reply accordingly (typing is a nightmare).

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Frankly - playing MMO (on PS3 or on anything else) WITHOUT keyboard is a nightmare - just plug one into USB port or via Bluetooth. Seriously - you most likely have one spare lying somewhere home anywhere or can get one dirt cheap. If your PS3 is too far for the keyboard cable to reach comfortably get 3 - 5 m / 10 - 15 ft USB extension cable as well. You can get both for price of monthly sub.

In regards of cut-scenes - I personally don't watch them in dungeons (can always catch-up later on in my own pace in the inn) however I have no problems with others watching them at all.

Putting down a line in the sand as a "good guy" is just brinksmanship posturing that has been covered ad nauseum in the forums. The more we cover these canards, the more we will be stuck living them in the game.

And you can start a pull without a healer. It may go well, it may go poorly, but the healer will be cleaning it and having argument number two about the wipe or death. It's certain to be a more divisive argument than the stupid 30 seconds you won't get back on a cutscene.

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Envoyé par Michelasso

Too bad that I am on PS3 so I couldn't reply accordingly (typing is a nightmare)

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So get a keyboard. Any USB one will work; most Bluetooth ones will too. I use a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse myself.

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Envoyé par farkinbastages

I would have made sure to let him die on the final boss before I politely abandoned duty and found another willing party. Never offend your healer.

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So by implication, it is ok to offend other party members because they are more expendable? I'm with you about letting folks enjoy the content, but the "worship me, I'm a healer" mentality is irritating. I'm not understating the role or the difficulty involved, but it would seem to me at least that you last comment should read like this: "never offend your party members." Or perhaps something even more neutral like: "be kind and courteous to your party."

I agree about the cut-scenes though. As a tank, I have no issues sitting back and enjoying a break while scenes are rolling.

I'm so tired of some whm trying to be blm.....

In a proper party a healer should have plenty of time to throw up Cleric Stance and nuke with some Stone II's. So in a sense White Mages should be playing as a ghetto Black mage. However a Good White Mage will be ready to switch in and out of cleric stance at a moments notice to maximus the speed of the run and keep the tank and DPS safe. I switch Cleric Stance on and off close to 100 times in some runs.

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Envoyé par 16bitBounty

In a proper party a healer should have plenty of time to throw up Cleric Stance and nuke with some Stone II's. So in a sense White Mages should be playing as a ghetto Black mage. However a Good White Mage will be ready to switch in and out of cleric stance at a moments notice to maximus the speed of the run and keep the tank and DPS safe. I switch Cleric Stance on and off close to 100 times in some runs.

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It's probably more than that. I usually end up stance-dancing 15-20 times in every skirmish.

I have skipped cutscenes, and I regret it. Especially on first runs.

Healing is great so far. I had a tank apologize for being undergreared and inexperienced at the start of toto rak, and I couldn't keep him up on the last boss - but I survived as the healer and tank on the last boss... so who needs those prima donna tanks?!? ;)

Unfortunately, tanks also exercise the same amount of power, especially in later dungeons. I would hesitate before actually telling the other party, "let me watch my cutscene or gtfo" as that is the same as your tank saying "skip the cutscene or gtfo". Both burn bridges, and I'd hate to be caught between 2 equally stubborn players over something as stupid as watching a cutscene.

On a personal note, I agree that if a person is playing a dungeon for the first time, let them watch the cutscene though.

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Envoyé par Anova

Unfortunately, tanks also exercise the same amount of power, especially in later dungeons. I would hesitate before actually telling the other party, "let me watch my cutscene or gtfo" as that is the same as your tank saying "skip the cutscene or gtfo". Both burn bridges, and I'd hate to be caught between 2 equally stubborn players over something as stupid as watching a cutscene.

On a personal note, I agree that if a person is playing a dungeon for the first time, let them watch the cutscene though.

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that is why I have lvl 50 paladin and soon lvl 50 whm lol.

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Envoyé par farkinbastages

I would have made sure to let him die on the final boss before I politely abandoned duty and found another willing party. Never offend your healer.

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Wow... You are sooooo important, aren't you.

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Envoyé par Michelasso

Too bad that I am on PS3 so I couldn't reply accordingly (typing is a nightmare).

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I'm on PS3, too, but you really need to use a keyboard to communicate. It's going to be vital later. I just did an 8 man fight for the story last night and it was important for the WHMs to communicate who was going to be responsible for whom. When you're coordinating strategy you need to be able to communicate quickly.

To get back to the thread, though, I always watch the CSs my first time through. If someone has a problem with it, they can put together their own group.

The problem with this is that a DPS character should be just as entitled to watch the cutscenes as a healer is. That should just be common courtesy for anyone, regardless of the role they have.

I plan always to ask at the start if anyone has special needs either for speed or for wanting to watch, i can do either as the Tank and am willing my main message for any dungeon group is "lets all play nice" and be kind and courteous, help each other and have a nice time. Keep the healer alive and me next..i can come back asap and will as long as anyone wants to keep going and I always will do my best and am happy to accept any advice and help from anyone else too. We are in this together so lets do our best and have fun."

I plan to do dungeons for others each time i play at least two or three times to help speed up the lines. ...as both a Tank and a Healer and also I hang out at tough spots for quests to help others and to train further as Tank. Nice to learn on the job and help others too.

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Envoyé par Niwashi

The problem with this is that a DPS character should be just as entitled to watch the cutscenes as a healer is. That should just be common courtesy for anyone, regardless of the role they have.

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No, I understand. My main class is DPS (THM) as well. But I obviously play more dungeons as an ACN, for collecting gear... and currently diremite webs*(I hate them) in Toto-rak. So, since I can't literally stand this type of people, I felt like inventing some vendetta. Still it wouldn't be fair, because it would damage the other players as well.

At the end I was just ranting, I just can't stand the bossy attitude from some idiots.

PS: about the keyboard, I wouldn't even have the place for it in my setup. Does the attachable keyboard for the controller work fine?

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Envoyé par 16bitBounty

In a proper party a healer should have plenty of time to throw up Cleric Stance and nuke with some Stone II's. So in a sense White Mages should be playing as a ghetto Black mage. However a Good White Mage will be ready to switch in and out of cleric stance at a moments notice to maximus the speed of the run and keep the tank and DPS safe. I switch Cleric Stance on and off close to 100 times in some runs.

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I've yet to ever have time to even buff myself up, let alone be able to throw off a couple Stone II's and whatnot. How do people do this?

I just had a DPS tell me to leave the party the other day because I wasn't healing good enough and the tank tell me my armor wasn't doing me any favors because my Cure wasn't giving him enough. :/ Except the tank wasn't pulling aggro off me and I ended up being too busy running away and trying to get breathing space to even fire off a Cure I/II, but nope, it's always the healer's fault, isn't it?

Get a mini keyboard that attchers to your pad, that's wat I use, got it for £8 off eBay brand new

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Envoyé par lineandcolor

I've yet to ever have time to even buff myself up, let alone be able to throw off a couple Stone II's and whatnot. How do people do this?

I just had a DPS tell me to leave the party the other day because I wasn't healing good enough and the tank tell me my armor wasn't doing me any favors because my Cure wasn't giving him enough. :/ Except the tank wasn't pulling aggro off me and I ended up being too busy running away and trying to get breathing space to even fire off a Cure I/II, but nope, it's always the healer's fault, isn't it?

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Your armor should be good enough, according to lodestone. Have you been putting all of your attribute points in mind?
Anyway, I can't shift between cleric stance and off until I learn the fight, and know when I need to save my mp or know when I can fight. :P Depends on your party to, if they are undergeared and not very good, then you'll be healing more than fighting, certainly.
Really, just learn the fights, and try to group with people you know for dungeons and things will run smoothly.

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Envoyé par lineandcolor

I've yet to ever have time to even buff myself up, let alone be able to throw off a couple Stone II's and whatnot. How do people do this?

I just had a DPS tell me to leave the party the other day because I wasn't healing good enough and the tank tell me my armor wasn't doing me any favors because my Cure wasn't giving him enough. :/ Except the tank wasn't pulling aggro off me and I ended up being too busy running away and trying to get breathing space to even fire off a Cure I/II, but nope, it's always the healer's fault, isn't it?

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I don't use Stone but I do find myself using Water to get a rid of enemies for the reasons you explained later. ^_^

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Envoyé par Jayprice

Get a mini keyboard that attchers to your pad, that's wat I use, got it for £8 off eBay brand new

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Yeah. I'll see about it then. Does it interface well with FF XIV? Only to get in writing mode I spend 3 seconds messing up with buttons.

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Envoyé par lineandcolor

I've yet to ever have time to even buff myself up, let alone be able to throw off a couple Stone II's and whatnot. How do people do this?

I just had a DPS tell me to leave the party the other day because I wasn't healing good enough and the tank tell me my armor wasn't doing me any favors because my Cure wasn't giving him enough. :/ Except the tank wasn't pulling aggro off me and I ended up being too busy running away and trying to get breathing space to even fire off a Cure I/II, but nope, it's always the healer's fault, isn't it?

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A good tank will mark the targets and you can sleep the ones that aren't being attacked. Will make your life a lot easier trying to keep up with heals.

After level 30 waiting times will be a lot longer, even for healers.

@lineandcolor
You shouldn't be running anywhere except straight to the tank. If they're doing their job you should lose your aggro rather quickly. Tanks after 35 start really requiring a lot of effort to keep topped off. To that effect there's really no reason to keep them topped off, just keep them alive and above 75%. Regen is the bread and butter now, not Cure. You let the tank build their aggro and keep Regen up on them. If a DPS takes damage Regen them so you can focus cures on the Tank when needed. Between Regen and Cure I you can keep anyone alive. I farmed Brayflox for battlemage gear but it's really not that much better than what you'll get from quests so your gear is fine.

@Michelasso
My girlfriend uses this keyboard when playing on PS3.
http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/...ctID.253651800

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Envoyé par 16bitBounty

@Michelasso
My girlfriend uses this keyboard when playing on PS3.
http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/...ctID.253651800

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Well, thanks, but I don't have the space for a keyboard. It is taken by my laptop. As I wrote I would be interested on that keyboard attachable to the DS3 controller. I'd like to know how it works with FF XIV before buying it, though.

I suggested the arc because it really is tiny. About half the size of a regular keyboard. She puts it in her lap and used it to talk. If your laptop is in your lap the arc can be tossed onto the ground when you need the laptop. Seems like your thighs would get pretty warm having a laptop resting on it for extended periods of time though.

Oh. I didn't notice it was small. I did some window shopping now, I see there are plenty of micro bluetooth keyboards even at some ridiculous prices (less than 10€). Still in Amazon Italy the DS3 one is only 21€. You know what, I am going to open a thread and ask for some feedbacks… Here we are off topic anyway,

It was in Cutter's Cry and, at the time, I didn't have the Linen Cowl yet. I was going between Battlemage Robe and a Vest for gathering because of the defense perks. But at the time, I didn't see a problem with it because, in the end, it wasn't my defense getting killed, it was all the aggro that I was getting and the tank not pulling them off of me :/

@AlyssaImagine: I honestly never knew I could fight in a dungeon since I was told my only role is a healer ^^; This is my first MMO.

@Energy2K8: This was in Cutter's Cry and the Myrimadon Princess and the adds were resisting Sleep. But I'll try that strategy for other dungeons!

@16bitBounty: Unfortunately, it was either stand there and take hits or attempt to run way while the tank and the DPSs try and get aggro off of me. My Cure's were getting interrupted if I stood there or if I ran away, it was very much a damned if you do and damned if you don't and they weren't willing to admit that the fault wasn't just in my ability to heal appropriately but also in their ability to get aggro off of me. I ended up getting a new party and the tank was much better and pulling aggro off of me, so I know, for sure, it wasn't me.

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Envoyé par lineandcolor

I've yet to ever have time to even buff myself up, let alone be able to throw off a couple Stone II's and whatnot. How do people do this?

I just had a DPS tell me to leave the party the other day because I wasn't healing good enough and the tank tell me my armor wasn't doing me any favors because my Cure wasn't giving him enough. :/ Except the tank wasn't pulling aggro off me and I ended up being too busy running away and trying to get breathing space to even fire off a Cure I/II, but nope, it's always the healer's fault, isn't it?

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From what I've observed since I started playing Conjurer/White Mage, I would think that the amount of breathing room you have as a healer is largely dependent on the competency of your tank. If there's aggro flying everywhere then odds are your tank isn't doing his job right. Or perhaps your DPS classes might need to throttle back their attacks a bit. But as a healer, it helps to only heal as much as you need to to keep the tank alive (keeping him around 75-80% is usually fine), especially when there's multiple strong enemies around. Toss him a quick Esuna if he gets poisoned or paralyzed. As was already stated, the Repose skill can be a godsend when used correctly, and assuming you're in a party that concentrates their fire on one target rather than everyone attacking whatever the hell they want. Right after the tank marks his targets, 1, 2, and 3, and right before the targets start pummeling him, sleep 2 & 3. At that point you should have enough breathing room for some stance dancing, that is, Cure/II > Stance > Stone II > Aero> Stance > Cure/II > Stance > etc. etc. (At least that's the rotation I usually use).

Something else you can do is enhance your skills with some macros.
/ac "Cure II" <tt> - This one uses Cure or Cure II on the target of your target, letting you heal the tank while watching your enmity gauge of the monster wailing on him.
/ac "Stone II" <tt> - Target your tank while using this one to cast Stone II on whatever target your tank is looking at.
You can get a lot more creative than that, but I prefer to keep things simple since I don't have a mouse to use while I'm playing (PS3).

Hm. I've never used macros, honestly. I don't know how ^^; Like I said, I'm very new to this and when asking about dungeons and whatnot, I was literally only told to just heal the tank for the most part and then heal the DPSs if they need it. Actually going in and DPSing was never something I really thought about because any time I tried I managed to pick the worst moment to go through the hotbar or something (I'm also on a PS3) and suddenly my tank is back down to below 50%.

I've already been told to leave a party for trying to multitask and I really don't want to be told it's my fault again. ._.

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Envoyé par lineandcolor

Hm. I've never used macros, honestly. I don't know how ^^; Like I said, I'm very new to this and when asking about dungeons and whatnot, I was literally only told to just heal the tank for the most part and then heal the DPSs if they need it. Actually going in and DPSing was never something I really thought about because any time I tried I managed to pick the worst moment to go through the hotbar or something (I'm also on a PS3) and suddenly my tank is back down to below 50%.

I've already been told to leave a party for trying to multitask and I really don't want to be told it's my fault again. ._.

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You and the tank are always top healing priority. The DPS is always bottom priority, as if they're getting damaged it's usually their own fault for pulling too much aggro and not regulating their attacks and/or switching targets when necessary (unless the tanks sucks). As for macros, they're cake easy to use once you get a feel for them. First flip over to your actions hotbar, the one with all the red icons. Unless you fiddled with it the macro one should be L2 + Directional Button Up.

Here's a couple macro guides you can look at and learn from. The 2nd one is specifically for White Mages, but read the first one to gain a basic understanding of how they work first. :)
http://erals.guildwork.com/forum/thr...ith-extra-fish
http://ffxivrealm.com/threads/some-whm-macros.7350/

OP please rename title to: How to act like a child and grief the dungeon.
Threatening to not heal someone is pathetic.

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Envoyé par Animation

OP please rename title to: How to act like a child and grief the dungeon.
Threatening to not heal someone is pathetic.

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What? Did I? I didn't threat anyone. I never mentioned that I won't heal. My point was that if I am not welcome in a party I may quit. I've read of people asking for the option of kicking out the people watching cut-scenes in another thread. Don't worry, I'll save them the disturb. I'll go away myself.