A Warrior Looking for Advice - Ifrit Hard

Hey! My main is actually WHM, but I'm gearing up WAR as an off tank for friends n' FC.

I really embarrassed myself in an Ifrit Hard run earlier. The party was extremely patient with me, as it was my first time off tanking anything challenging, and also my first time being the stun.

I felt like I was completely missing something, though. The Paladin was main tanking Ifrit, and I took up position behind Ifrit (of course!), and was told to simply do nothing but Stun (Brutal Swing).

Except...as far as I can tell, I only have one Stun ability (Brutal Swing) available to me and it has a 30 Second recast timer on it, which Skill Speed seems to have absolutely no impact on. If I stun once, Ifrit can and does cast Eruption multiple times again in the span of the recast wait.

So. What am I missing? People were continually telling me to Stun. Is there a secondary stun ability I'm missing? I have all my jobs to 50 from Legacy, but I can't seem to find a shared Stun skill between the other classes (Warrior being limited to Pugilist and Gladiator skills).

Am I really supposed to stand there, with auto-attack on and not DPS between Brutal Swings cool down?

Any tips or suggestions would be great! I'm really eager to get my Ifrit Axe, and I don't want to be a drag on a group!

This was not your fault at all, your party was at fault.
In this situation, you shouldve been m-tanking instead of the paladin.
The paladin shouldve popped sword oath and stunned ifrit with shield bash (2,5 sec GCD)

not your fault at all, only paladin can become a stunbot because of shieldbash have no cooldown

Thanks for the replies. That makes me feel a little less foolish. I got volunteered for stunning right away, and nobody batted an eye so I assumed it was normal.

Like I said, I main WHM. I don't think I ever actually paid attention to who was in charge of stuns on those runs, just running away from the Eruptions that everyone seemed to miss the stun on anyway. :D

I'm going to get some sturdier gear, and go in expecting to main tank next time! Thanks!

Wait...

Why did your party place you as stunbot?

And you had a Paladin?

What in the actual fuck.

If any party ever tells you to stunbot tell them no. As a war you can MT all of the primals though Titan HM gets a little nasty and you'll find yourself more use as the off-tank for Garuda but I've done all three as both.

People are stupid not you.

Few problems here.

One: War stun has long cooldown so that is bad.
Two: For Pld to be able to stun when they need they have to be very careful with their threat rotation which is going to be less enmity in most cases... BAD

Three: You don't need stuns to complete Ifrit. You need to not stand in stuff. Even with someone stunning there is a good chance one will get through at some point. Lag, mistake by the stunner, and just being immune from to many stuns are all totally possible and can be avoided if you don't stand in bad stuff. In all honesty if you cannot complete Ifrit because you need stuns then you will probably fail big time on garuda/titan because you can't stun them out of their stuff.

I main tanked HM Ifrit as a WAR, with a 55 wep, AF gear and trinkets in the 45-49 levels.....it's very doable, just know how to self-heal and hold aggro... Do that, and if your team wipes 9 times out of 10 it's not your fault...

don't let any pseudo-elite baddie tell you otherwise.

It's also do-able with two wars as tanks. I was the off-tank while the other war mt. We rotated stuns and it worked out very well. FYI you're team is retarded for voting you as stunner when there is a pld in the group. That being said I was in a DF group where the pld tanked and stunned. Mad respect for that, of course I wasn't trying to steal his hate.

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It's also do-able with two wars as tanks. I was the off-tank while the other war mt. We rotated stuns and it worked out very well. FYI you're team is retarded for voting you as stunner when there is a pld in the group. That being said I was in a DF group where the pld tanked and stunned. Mad respect for that, of course I wasn't trying to steal his hate.

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It's actually really easy to stun and MT at the same time. It doesn't impact your threat enough to really matter, as long as the OT isn't spamming max threat combos all fight.

I once got Ifrit Hard with me and another warrior , it was terrible experience.

Also if the paladin is tanking they have trouble stunning due to having to keep threat so its a wipe usually with Warrior as stun .

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Originally Posted by Grailer

I once got Ifrit Hard with me and another warrior , it was terrible experience.

Also if the paladin is tanking they have trouble stunning due to having to keep threat so its a wipe usually with Warrior as stun .

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They only have trouble if they are bad. It's super easy to MT and stun at the same time. Ifrit is 100% predictable; eruptions always happen in the same order. On top of that, he doesn't use eruption at all until like 85%, so the tank should have a gigantic threat lead at that point.

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Originally Posted by PessimiStick

They only have trouble if they are bad. It's super easy to MT and stun at the same time. Ifrit is 100% predictable; eruptions always happen in the same order. On top of that, he doesn't use eruption at all until like 85%, so the tank should have a gigantic threat lead at that point.

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It's not that they are bad (which they might be), it may very well be that they lack practice as an Ifrit solo tank. Once you have enough practice, you can squeeze your enmity rotation in between the eruptions just fine. Maybe you will miss one or two, but that will be on phase 1 and only if you are overdoing it, so not a big deal.

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Originally Posted by Kenka

It's not that they are bad (which they might be), it may very well be that they lack practice as an Ifrit solo tank. Once you have enough practice, you can squeeze your enmity rotation in between the eruptions just fine. Maybe you will miss one or two, but that will be on phase 1 and only if you are overdoing it, so not a big deal.

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After the first time you do the fight, it should be painfully obvious that you can get an RoH in between every eruption. You may not notice some of the other nuances (which phases you can get an RoH in before the first eruption, when you can get extra stuff after the RoH, etc.), but the basic: Stun, RoH, repeat, should be doable by anyone that has done the fight before.

Doing Ifrit HM with 2 War can either be horrible or very fun and rewarding :-)
I actually find it super fun to coordinate stuns with another War if we're both doing it right. But if one misses, it can start to be very messy if you're not able to get back in sync (especially if it happens in the second half of the fight).

Still, I'd rather do it with a PLD as you have more margins for errors but it can be really fun (for you) to do it with another war. The rest of the party may not be too happy though...

I have solo tanked ifrit many, many times, and have his stuns down to almost the exact timing, it's quite literally almost mindless for me at this point. Having said that, until you know his pattern, it can seem quite difficult, especially if you are to main tank AND stun by yourself. Infact, It's next to impossible given the GCD, unless you know when to expect an erupt, and chill out for a few minutes. There are a few times when he's well below 50% than he can erupt, and do it once more about 20-25 seconds later, leaving you boned by about 5-10 seconds potentially. It's really quite simple, if you have 2 tanks, The PLD stun bots, the war tanks. If you have two wars, they macro their stun, and have an order.

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Originally Posted by Lex_Luger

I have solo tanked ifrit many, many times, and have his stuns down to almost the exact timing, it's quite literally almost mindless for me at this point. Having said that, until you know his pattern, it can seem quite difficult, especially if you are to main tank AND stun by yourself. Infact, It's next to impossible given the GCD, unless you know when to expect an erupt, and chill out for a few minutes. There are a few times when he's well below 50% than he can erupt, and do it once more about 20-25 seconds later, leaving you boned by about 5-10 seconds potentially. It's really quite simple, if you have 2 tanks, The PLD stun bots, the war tanks. If you have two wars, they macro their stun, and have an order.

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He always Erupts and then erupts 15-25 seconds later, for the entire fight.

NO! ITS NOT YOUR FAULT!

Its Square Enix bullshit retarded that make WAR stunner cool down so pitifully long.

PROVE ME WRONG!

As others have already mentioned, PLD is the only Tank that can be on Stun Guns. Warriors have a 30 Sec stun, which makes it impossible. Even the DRG might make a better Stunner since their stun is on 20 sec CD (with trait) and they also have a second stun on a 180 sec CD. If a party ever invites a WAR for stun duties, run away ASAP lol.

For Ifrit if you have a PLD and WAR. WAR should be MT. For Garuda both of them can be MT and OT. And for Titan you only need one tank.

I main tanked this last night. At first i didnt understand why not have the pld mt, Then, as all other posts pointed out, Pld stun cooldown is way less. War can Maintank this easy, though i suggest not using Brutal swing in the beginning because ifrit builds up a resistance to stun.

Don't use Brutal Swing ever. If you aren't on stun duty, never, ever stun.