So I'm level 42 on my summoner/scholar/arcanist and 45 on my paladin, finally got the armor I've been looking forward to since i started the game, galant armor; used to see all these high level players wearing it and got excited to looking forward to the day I'd be able to get mine, the thrill. The quest was way too easy, didn't feel like I earned it, my excitement was crushed like a deflated balloon. The quest to get all the pieces went by way too fast, I was surprised at how easy it was to get everything minus the bp that comes later.
I was shocked when I found out that you can get darklight armor using tokens and it drops from bosses, where's the challenge that gives players a sense of reward.
Running dungeons before 45 to get gear drops is super tasking and then boom you're giving me a free set that just replaced all these pieces I spent days/weeks farming for, I mean come on that doesn't seem right.
Why do so many things in this game feel out of place and backwards
Geting armor in this game doesn't feel very rewarding
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10-06-2013, 03:56 PMKyoukoGeting armor in this game doesn't feel very rewarding
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10-06-2013, 04:00 PMChrysaorUSon
Because it is a new game, and a step up from FF11 I presume was SE intentions.
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10-06-2013, 04:02 PMGhammer
you say it now, but when your spam running everything and dying in titan pugs your thoughts will change
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10-06-2013, 04:03 PMDjeserit
Make AF hard to acquire: people complain that they can't get their "iconic" look because it's too hard.
Make AF easy to acquire: people complain their "iconic" look was too easy and negates previously earned gear.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Protip: Nothing you "earn" in the game has any value because it's a game. Even BIS gear will be replaced by the next tier of BIS gear.
Welcome to MMO's. -
10-06-2013, 04:30 PMLunarEmerald
Allagan feels rewarding.
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10-06-2013, 05:09 PMXatsh
In the current mainstream all your gear is worthless because in 6-12months it will all be replaced...
It is a bad design concept that everyone for some reason adopted.
And I agree nothing really feels all that rewarding in XIV currently. The game is a 100% gear hand out. Even in Coil 100% 2 BIS pieces per win.
MMOS use to not be like this nor should they be now. -
10-06-2013, 05:12 PMFelis
To get the AF gear was a bit harder in 1.0
Like AF chests behind the middle boss in Dzemael (the ogre), AF chests in Arum Vale that you could only enter after you finished the Dzemael quest and an interesting end fight in the lv50 quest for the body AF.
I think the difficulty would be ok if SE did at least the last 2 quests as party quests.
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10-06-2013, 05:16 PMIndigoHawk
I felt the same disappointment when I got my AF gear. As I leveled up I did each dungeon 2-3 times to get better gear than what I could get from single player quest rewards.
Then I did an easy single player quest and replaced most of my dungeon gear. Instead of feeling like a reward, I felt like the game was broken and FFXIV hadn't finished making the class quests.
I think it would have been ok if earning AF was spread out, and I replaced one piece at a time. (Maybe there could be 1 quest per level starting at level 45 to outfit the player with AF? Or a quest chain that gives another piece of AF for each dungeon run starting at level 45?) -
10-06-2013, 05:17 PMntall1
The pacing of the game is all wrong. Every piece of gear before the AK set and DL are transitional and do not matter at all considering you replace them every 30 minutes of game play.
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10-06-2013, 05:26 PMReokudo
It's the "Starting" armor for your 50 dungeons. If they made it difficult to acquire you'd have even more worsely geared players in pugs. Imagine, queuing for CM with first timers who don't even have AF and wearing GC armor and the like. Oh, the horror!
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10-06-2013, 05:27 PMPandastirfryThis seems to only be seen as bad design to diehard XI fans. Me personally (also a XI vet) hated the fact that gear that was BIS in 2002, was still BIS in 2007. With each expansion stagnated at 75 they kept adding more and more incremental side grades and incredibly niche situational gear. That the desire to squire new gear began to dry up as the only real drive eventually was that new gear looked different. I'd rather gear get replaced than for it to get staleQuote:
Originally Posted by Xatsh
EDIT: to make a long story short I hated that by the time I quit XI in 2008 I was still using the Same gear I had been using since NA launch -
10-06-2013, 06:08 PMOrigamiElephant
Yeah, they didn't give Equipment/crafting items, much thought. It's all very linear. No holy crap items, nothing to aspire towards.
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10-06-2013, 06:13 PMFutanXIVBut just being handed things for showing up is so much fun! It's like we're all on the Oprah set when she's giving away brand new cars!Quote:
Originally Posted by Xatsh
But I'd also like to know who thought button mashing, not in a fun way like action, fighting or even old school beat 'em up games, but in the boring 1-2-3 way would actually be an entertaining combat system.
Or repeated mindless fetch quests over and over and over again would somehow be exciting and adventurous.
Or having a "massive multiplayer" game that doesn't require communication at all.
I also noticed a lack of memories and emotions. The game(and genre), probably mostly because of the handouts, doesn't evoke any emotions or memorable experiences at all. It's all very monotonous and mechanical. Which is probably part of why people MMO hop so much now. No emotional attachment.
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10-06-2013, 06:21 PMAmberion
There should actually be some gear that when you get the drop, you want to take a screenshot of it.
Still have some of the from FFXI, like Othinius' Bow from Wyverpoacher, drop from Valkurm Emperor and a nice screenshot of Voluptuous Vivian. -
10-06-2013, 06:30 PMPandastirfryBe honest though, you didn't take a screenshot because the ITEM was awesome, you took it because the drop rates were atrocious and you could literally camp certain items for year ( like me wit monster signa) and never get it... Woo! Fun times! And I use the word "fun" quite wronglyQuote:
Originally Posted by Amberion
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10-06-2013, 06:37 PMGrailerWell gear is just a reward , the fun should be in playing the game . But it seems at 50 as I was told you need to farm tokens to get gear to do dungeons which is a bit of a time sink imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyouko
I also thought it was a bit of a joke when I got my job armor at lvl 45 from simple solo quests which was better than the armor I got from doing dungeons that took forever to complete . -
10-06-2013, 06:39 PMSolviteSekai
Why do people thinking running dungeons over and over is any different than any other kind of grinding?
I'm really sorry that you base your self worth on how hard you worked for a t-shirt in a video game.
It's a game. Have fun or play something else. -
10-06-2013, 07:11 PMAmberionWell, Valkurm Emperor sucked, but Wyvernpoacher has a fairly high drop rate.. Probably since the x-bow is rare/ex. But that x-bow was just that awesome and made of win. Well, before S-E decided to destroy the Ranger class.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pandastirfry
But I agree, some of them have crappy drop rate. Not sure how many Jaggedy-Eared Jack I killed, never got drop.
It was actually a lot of fun to team up with LS members and go kill out of the way NM's.
And not all items where from NMs, Rajas Ring from beating Promathia. Awesome fight btw. :) -
10-06-2013, 07:12 PMEvangelawhat's wrong with your eyes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pandastirfry
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10-06-2013, 08:17 PMDyvidThe problem is you're still thinking like FFXI. AF in this game is your starter gear for end game. When you finally get your first Ifrit weapon to drop, you'll feel rewarded for hard work. The token system is like Assault in FFXI and I feel it's a better system then just having the armor random drop from a dungeon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyouko
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10-06-2013, 08:31 PMMoontide
Your achievements and new things you attain not feeling like anything sadly is the price you have to pay for increased, more effortless leveling pace.