AF/Relics for classes? why not?

so from the words of the Dev Director himself
the classes are supposed to be more suited for solo and jobs more suited for party.
(before you flame me think about that, it is what he said)
that being the case I have to ask this.
why do the classes not have Artifact and Relic gear?

some abilities that don't get passed on to the jobs would be nice too

In 1.0 there was class only gear, but it's for both now. Gryphonskin/Vanya/Darksteel, etc, and the ilvl 70 crafted Weapons like Sarnga or Obelisk, all were Class only in 1.0. Now it's either both, or Job only.

I was more thinking that individual classes should each get their own gear sets and weapons
for instance CNJ should get a set similar to WHM AF but with stats better suited for solo and a weapon better suited for solo as well
you know. class specific equipment

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Originally Posted by Wildsprite

I was more thinking that individual classes should each get their own gear sets and weapons
for instance CNJ should get a set similar to WHM AF but with stats better suited for solo and a weapon better suited for solo as well
you know. class specific equipment

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Originally Posted by ispano

In 1.0 there was class only gear, but it's for both now. Gryphonskin/Vanya/Darksteel, etc, and the ilvl 70 crafted Weapons like Sarnga or Obelisk, all were Class only in 1.0. Now it's either both, or Job only.

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There ya go....

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Originally Posted by Wisekuma

There ya go....

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his/her response was an answer IF this was 1.0, but this is game is not 1.0
my point is, the jobs are being treated like evolutions when the dev director bastically said they were more for party situations and classes more for solo situations therefore they are not evolutions and the classes should be getting gear and abilities specifically for them

not to mention virtually everything I have seen that seems like special equipment for classes is not class specific but specific to the type of class such as diciples of magic or disciples of war

The answer is that the class/job system is a relic from 1.0 that should have been done away with, classes were/are seldom used for solo, especially when most jobs offer such valuable abilities that are rarely worth giving up.
Classes are an afterthought at this point.

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Originally Posted by EmSix

The answer is that the class/job system is a relic from 1.0 that should have been done away with, classes were/are seldom used for solo, especially when most jobs offer such valuable abilities that are rarely worth giving up.
Classes are an afterthought at this point.

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so you say, but I have looked at the differences, classes can use more cross skill/spells than jobs can and jobs dont really have all that much to make up for those restrictions

besides that the director himself actually said he wanted more definition between classes and jobs than 1.0 had so I would think if that were true the devs wouldnt treat the classes as an after thought at all. would be nice to hear input from them on this

ive seen the difference between a gladiator and a paladin in brayflox and it's stunning how fast a gladiator goes down compared to a pld...
i'd consider it on monk though till 40 because heavy shot + internal release.

I think for healers and tanks the difference is quite big as you get skills that directly benefit to tanking or healing. dps classes the difference might be in some cases lower. All in all the way the system is currently they might just removed the whole classes and just went with jobs if there is no point using a class over a job.

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Originally Posted by Wildsprite

so you say, but I have looked at the differences, classes can use more cross skill/spells than jobs can and jobs dont really have all that much to make up for those restrictions

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PLD->GLA loses a ton of defensive abilities.
WAR->MRD loses lots of self heals
SCH->ACN loses literally all purpose
SMN->ACN makes your pets weaker
WHM->CNJ loses lots of healing spells and Holy
I could go on. Let's not even talk about the fact that the job crystal gives you +10 all stats and +20 to your main, so you'd be losing all those, too.

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Originally Posted by Wildsprite

besides that the director himself actually said he wanted more definition between classes and jobs than 1.0 had so I would think if that were true the devs wouldnt treat the classes as an after thought at all. would be nice to hear input from them on this

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Devs lie, a lot. It's called marketing.

if there would be an AF for male bards & Whm.War;Pal...AF look nice on both male/female

I could have sworn they actually mentioned ( and I think teased) this in one of the live letters... Could be wrong though

There's no solo content (and never will be at this rate), that's why we don't have class AF, there's no reason to use classes after lvl30.

Yeah, honestly the idea that you'd ever switch back to your class after level 30 is kinda silly when you consider the fact that even if you are missing some kind of "diversity" ability (Which almost always means self-healing because you're soloing), you can actually gain that by calling your Companion Chocobo.

Almost all the customization in this game is illusionary and only there to make you think your choices affect your character. If I swapped back to Archer from by Bard I'd have 0 new DPS abilities. I could set maybe a couple defensive moves and if I tried to set Cure I'd never use it because it heals for something like 60 HP.

It's crazy to put your 30 stat points into anything other than your primary stat. A BRD that specs all Piety for instance, will be laughed out of a room. It's been found that STR scales very, very poorly defensively (Something along the lines of 30 STR for +1% parry reduction) so that MRD/WARs picking STR over VIT will only be better for speed runs because of more damage, etc.

Still, I wouldn't say that the OP's suggestion is a bad one, because they could fix these problems pretty easily with a bit of work. If you made it so that, say, Archer has higher MND than Bard and gave it AF that increases both DEX and MND, it would actually make some sort of sense to be self-curing with magic.

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Originally Posted by EmSix

Devs lie, a lot. It's called marketing.

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honestly I dont believe Yoshi-P has lied to us, he has tried to keep each of his promises the best he could and still plans to deliver each of the things he talked about in his letters so no your assumption is just arrogant. especially since the ARR is not even 3 months out of official release. and even during his time in 1.0 before the shut down he was pretty open with us with what they intended to do. so your assumption that they wont make the classes up to par with the jobs is full of holes.

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Originally Posted by Kincard

Still, I wouldn't say that the OP's suggestion is a bad one, because they could fix these problems pretty easily with a bit of work. If you made it so that, say, Archer has higher MND than Bard and gave it AF that increases both DEX and MND, it would actually make some sort of sense to be self-curing with magic.

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this is part of what I mean. them making it so the classes are still a viable option past 30 if you want to solo should be there. . there should be some way to make up for the things the soul crystals give the jobs even if its a quest you have to do for it


as for SMN pets being better than ACN pets, they have more abilities but other than that Garuda-Egi isnt that much better than Emerald Carbuncle and Titan-Egi isnt that much better than Topaz.

I'm not suggesting they just give us things to make the classes more viable. I'm quite okay with quests that do this so that it is still something you EARN