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    AF/Relics for classes? why not?

    so from the words of the Dev Director himself
    the classes are supposed to be more suited for solo and jobs more suited for party.
    (before you flame me think about that, it is what he said)
    that being the case I have to ask this.
    why do the classes not have Artifact and Relic gear?

    some abilities that don't get passed on to the jobs would be nice too
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    In 1.0 there was class only gear, but it's for both now. Gryphonskin/Vanya/Darksteel, etc, and the ilvl 70 crafted Weapons like Sarnga or Obelisk, all were Class only in 1.0. Now it's either both, or Job only.
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    I was more thinking that individual classes should each get their own gear sets and weapons
    for instance CNJ should get a set similar to WHM AF but with stats better suited for solo and a weapon better suited for solo as well
    you know. class specific equipment
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildsprite View Post
    I was more thinking that individual classes should each get their own gear sets and weapons
    for instance CNJ should get a set similar to WHM AF but with stats better suited for solo and a weapon better suited for solo as well
    you know. class specific equipment
    Quote Originally Posted by ispano View Post
    In 1.0 there was class only gear, but it's for both now. Gryphonskin/Vanya/Darksteel, etc, and the ilvl 70 crafted Weapons like Sarnga or Obelisk, all were Class only in 1.0. Now it's either both, or Job only.
    There ya go....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wisekuma View Post
    There ya go....
    his/her response was an answer IF this was 1.0, but this is game is not 1.0
    my point is, the jobs are being treated like evolutions when the dev director bastically said they were more for party situations and classes more for solo situations therefore they are not evolutions and the classes should be getting gear and abilities specifically for them

    not to mention virtually everything I have seen that seems like special equipment for classes is not class specific but specific to the type of class such as diciples of magic or disciples of war
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    Last edited by Wildsprite; 11-02-2013 at 12:53 PM.

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    The answer is that the class/job system is a relic from 1.0 that should have been done away with, classes were/are seldom used for solo, especially when most jobs offer such valuable abilities that are rarely worth giving up.
    Classes are an afterthought at this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EmSix View Post
    The answer is that the class/job system is a relic from 1.0 that should have been done away with, classes were/are seldom used for solo, especially when most jobs offer such valuable abilities that are rarely worth giving up.
    Classes are an afterthought at this point.
    so you say, but I have looked at the differences, classes can use more cross skill/spells than jobs can and jobs dont really have all that much to make up for those restrictions

    besides that the director himself actually said he wanted more definition between classes and jobs than 1.0 had so I would think if that were true the devs wouldnt treat the classes as an after thought at all. would be nice to hear input from them on this
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildsprite View Post
    so you say, but I have looked at the differences, classes can use more cross skill/spells than jobs can and jobs dont really have all that much to make up for those restrictions
    PLD->GLA loses a ton of defensive abilities.
    WAR->MRD loses lots of self heals
    SCH->ACN loses literally all purpose
    SMN->ACN makes your pets weaker
    WHM->CNJ loses lots of healing spells and Holy
    I could go on. Let's not even talk about the fact that the job crystal gives you +10 all stats and +20 to your main, so you'd be losing all those, too.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wildsprite View Post
    besides that the director himself actually said he wanted more definition between classes and jobs than 1.0 had so I would think if that were true the devs wouldnt treat the classes as an after thought at all. would be nice to hear input from them on this
    Devs lie, a lot. It's called marketing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EmSix View Post
    Devs lie, a lot. It's called marketing.
    honestly I dont believe Yoshi-P has lied to us, he has tried to keep each of his promises the best he could and still plans to deliver each of the things he talked about in his letters so no your assumption is just arrogant. especially since the ARR is not even 3 months out of official release. and even during his time in 1.0 before the shut down he was pretty open with us with what they intended to do. so your assumption that they wont make the classes up to par with the jobs is full of holes.


    Quote Originally Posted by Kincard View Post
    Still, I wouldn't say that the OP's suggestion is a bad one, because they could fix these problems pretty easily with a bit of work. If you made it so that, say, Archer has higher MND than Bard and gave it AF that increases both DEX and MND, it would actually make some sort of sense to be self-curing with magic.
    this is part of what I mean. them making it so the classes are still a viable option past 30 if you want to solo should be there. . there should be some way to make up for the things the soul crystals give the jobs even if its a quest you have to do for it


    as for SMN pets being better than ACN pets, they have more abilities but other than that Garuda-Egi isnt that much better than Emerald Carbuncle and Titan-Egi isnt that much better than Topaz.

    I'm not suggesting they just give us things to make the classes more viable. I'm quite okay with quests that do this so that it is still something you EARN
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    Last edited by Wildsprite; 10-07-2013 at 11:04 PM.

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    Justina Suntail
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    ive seen the difference between a gladiator and a paladin in brayflox and it's stunning how fast a gladiator goes down compared to a pld...
    i'd consider it on monk though till 40 because heavy shot + internal release.
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