So I join Haukke Manor today as a Whm and spent the first few minutes of the run being told how to play by a tank who was just this side of living in a home. I got agro on every single pull... often on his 1 mark.
So after the first boss he magic D/cs and we stand around for awhile before I got bored and decided to start pulling. Arc, Drg, Whm and we cleared from the first boss to the last boss (yes we downed the second boss with no tank) with no issues... no deaths even.
Last boss I knew we couldn't do without a tank but tried anyway and failed. So I dropped, changed to paladin and queued up and got back into the group. A healer joined a few seconds later and we took out the boss.
For an added bonus tank gear dropped in the instance... a lot of it.
Tl;dr Bad tanks are bad... and in many cases not even needed.
Healer! You are doing it wrong!
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10-05-2013, 11:06 AMRochetmHealer! You are doing it wrong!
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10-05-2013, 11:11 AMyokan
Besides the terrible writing and gloating, what is the purpose of this thread? Yes, bad tanks are bad. Bad healers are also bad healers, the same goes for bad DDs are bad DDs. Just like a bad thread is a bad thread.
It's nothing new. Everyone knows this. -
10-05-2013, 11:16 AMDorinForum's filled only with drama lately. (Well it has always been)Quote:
Originally Posted by yokan
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10-05-2013, 11:17 AMHumsterMKX
I believe TS just discovered, this game is a DPS race.
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10-05-2013, 11:50 AMRochetmyes I am gloating... I did everything myself and my dps had nothing to do with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by yokan
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10-05-2013, 12:35 PMLordSideKicks
Not sure if you know..... if you use any healing skill when the tank jus hit the mob. The mob will turn to u instead. Spamming healing like a mad rog does not help the tank too.
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10-05-2013, 12:47 PMVantwan
You forgot to mention in your post the fact that you were probably overhealing the shit out of the tank.
He took 50 damage? Better use cure 2! -
10-05-2013, 03:44 PMAsiaineI thought they say enmity is proportional to the amount actually healed, not the potential amount... so cure1, cure2, cure IV is all the same if you only heal 50.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vantwan
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10-05-2013, 03:49 PMRochetm
I love the defensive baddies here... "no YOU where doing it wrong"
Sure that is why I cleared most of a dungeon with dps for tanks. Also you should totally ignore my having completed the story with a tank. -
10-05-2013, 04:19 PMDranosiI bet ya this nub Rochetm, cast regen on the tank at every pull, then complain why the mob agro him instead of tank.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rochetm
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10-05-2013, 05:03 PMBalaur
Had a PLD in Shield Oath with a WAR offtank without Defiance. They were competing for top aggro spots on Ultima Weapon phase 1, so the boss was switching back and forth a lot. It was silly that neither tank could decide who was going to be the tank, but also that the WAR was beating the PLD for enmity without Defiance. I was *this* close to asking the WAR to throw on Defiance and end the debate that was making it very difficult for me to maintain flanking bonuses, while I'm also eating cleaves because the "tank" runs to me to dodge plumes, and this makes UW hit me to while I'm ALSO trying to dodge the plumes.
Then we get to the final boss in Prae, and the two WHMs decided that they'd solve the debate and took enmity off the tanks and kept it. While everyone is going full throttle. At that point, the only reason one WHM was winning the enmity race was because towards the end the other Shrouded a Cure. It was hilarious at the end to find the tanks seemed to either find it frustrating, or enjoyable. -
10-05-2013, 05:20 PMKiriA500
You can always tell the players who have never touched other classes. As a player who actively plays as a tank and healer, I see from both sides what happens, so I can adjust accordingly when needed.
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10-05-2013, 05:22 PMBlueMage
"Dear Diary-- I mean, General Forum. Today someone was mean to me, but they were stupid and I was awesome! Someone please care..."
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10-05-2013, 07:02 PMRyuujinZEROEmnity is proportional to the potential healing, not the actual amount healed. It's not entirely clear whether you cause additional emnity for over-healing (Some MMOs generate extra threat if you keep healing people to 100% and beyond), but certainly if you "heal" a guy at full health, the game will generate threat, just like if you healed a guy who was actually injured. This is why medica and regen are so prone to pulling aggro, regen heals a huge amount over it's duration, while medica's heal is relatively small, it is likely to hit every member of the party (thus multiplying the total heal applied by a factor of 4 to 8 people)Quote:
Originally Posted by Asiaine
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10-05-2013, 09:18 PMDyrstahlI played Marauder & Conjurer up to 25 at the same time and I think it helped me gain perspective on how to behave in dungeons. Playing as a healer gives a tank a hint on how much mana heals and esunas cost, the potency of the spells and so on... Likewise playing on a tank gives you perspective on how effective tanks hold enmity (and more importantly initialize enmity).Quote:
Originally Posted by KiriA500
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10-05-2013, 09:36 PMMenubrea
You don't need a tank for any of the 4 man dungeons. You don't need 4 people either. So what? Bad people are bad, is there a point to this beyond that?
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10-05-2013, 11:18 PMKrisstinaRegen shouldnt have any problem if the target keep getting hit and lost HP~It's a very small amount heal per tick compare to other ability. If healer get OT from this in the middle of the fight, it's 100% tank's fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyuujinZERO
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10-05-2013, 11:24 PMKoboltits not that hard to heal those places. I healed Haukke Manor as a BLM, jumping between DPS and healing. Do you even Red Mage, Bro?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rochetm
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10-06-2013, 12:10 AMAnakhuLol, had to do the same with my lowly thaum the other night in a 4 man dungeon... it was so rediculous lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kobolt
Firstly, I join with 1 dps raging hard at the tank saying wow **** this guy, he is ***** n stuff. I was like hrmmmm.. and started making my way towards where the tank was and the other dps, while on my way there the guy complaining left dungeon. Once I get there, I realize his agony. This "?tank?" would not pull aggro, like seriously lol. And the dps was like bro you got to pull aggro not us, he still wouldn't ( not sure if he could even understand us as he wouldn't say anything, but he was definatly active).So the archer decides to pull , my thm becomes a conjurer , and after archer has full hate from all surroundign mobs.. the tank becomes a dps and uses no emnity moves, the shock of it all o.0
Somehow by some miracle, we actually finished the dungeon this way. I don't remember the tanks name, and I hope not to run into him again and I pray he learns to communicate and learn his roles or this game community will eat him alive, with good cause. -
10-06-2013, 12:19 AMEztamImpossible, Regen is lv35....he wouldnt have it for manor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dranosi
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10-06-2013, 12:21 AMArriverderciYou don't even get Regen until level 35 brosef.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dranosi
Haukke is for 28-31.
> Tries to insult people.
Great. This community man...