Why does not need buffing PLD does not need nerfing

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10-05-2013, 05:51 AM
Firescorpio

Why does not need buffing PLD does not need nerfing

While my experience with binding coil goes as far as turn 2 a the moment, I have tanked all prior content with both warrior and Paladin, and i will always prefer Warrior as mi prime option for tanking on any given situation with slight preference with paladin on Caduceus.

I keep seeing threads on this forum "how to fix warrior" "nerf paladin" and while everyone takes stabs at warrior for being inneficient (how?) I can't help but remember 1.0 warrior was the tank of choice for lazy players or low skilled players, PLD being called a defficient tank, all Paladin took was some more upkeep and it became the tank of choice for experienced endgame content.

To me the case in 2.0 is simply just reverted, Warrior is not inneficient or subpar to Paladin it just takes some actual work and extra imput from the player to pull it off.
If anything the only downside it has is a design oversight, unified gear for both tanks, that is the only thing if anything they need to fix, give the warrior proper warrior gear.
10-05-2013, 05:55 AM
PessimiStick

You must be terrible at math, because no amount of player skill makes 95 > 100. PLDs are just flatly superior at tanking raid damage.
10-05-2013, 06:04 AM
fixitman

Warrior is supposedly superior against groups. Paladin is supposedly superior against single targets. The margin of superiority in both cases can supposedly be widened or narrowed, depending on gear and player skill level.

Basically, why does anyone even care? Just play what you want to play, and be the best that you can be at it.

Playing the game is unquestionably more fun than playing the numbers...

Edit: What the heck does the thread topic even mean???

Edit 2: The boldface lines are the point of my reply :)
10-05-2013, 06:33 AM
Conna

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Originally Posted by fixitman

Warrior is supposedly superior against groups. Paladin is supposedly superior against single targets. The margin of superiority in both cases can supposedly be widened or narrowed, depending on gear and player skill level.

Basically, why does anyone even care? Just play what you want to play, and be the best that you can be at it.

Playing the game is unquestionably more fun than playing the numbers...

Edit: What the heck does the thread topic even mean???

Supposedly...But no in reality the warrior takes "way" more damage and paladin doesn't. The paladin can add tank well enough that bringing a war doesn't matter and thus he difference comes down to survivability which as a healer and a war i can tell you the warrior doesn't come close.
10-05-2013, 06:39 AM
Illya

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Originally Posted by Firescorpio

While my experience with binding coil goes as far as turn 2 a the moment, I have tanked all prior content with both warrior and Paladin, and i will always prefer Warrior as mi prime option for tanking on any given situation with slight preference with paladin on Caduceus.

I keep seeing threads on this forum "how to fix warrior" "nerf paladin" and while everyone takes stabs at warrior for being inneficient (how?) I can't help but remember 1.0 warrior was the tank of choice for lazy players or low skilled players, PLD being called a defficient tank, all Paladin took was some more upkeep and it became the tank of choice for experienced endgame content.

To me the case in 2.0 is simply just reverted, Warrior is not inneficient or subpar to Paladin it just takes some actual work and extra imput from the player to pull it off.
If anything the only downside it has is a design oversight, unified gear for both tanks, that is the only thing if anything they need to fix, give the warrior proper warrior gear.

Please post a link to your YouTube video of you MTing Caduceus as WAR.
10-05-2013, 06:49 AM
CurlyBruce

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Originally Posted by Firescorpio

While my experience with binding coil goes as far as turn 2 a the moment, I have tanked all prior content with both warrior and Paladin, and i will always prefer Warrior as mi prime option for tanking on any given situation with slight preference with paladin on Caduceus.

You know how I know you are full of shit? You don't have a Relic on WAR, and you don't have the Achievement for Binding Coil Turn 1 let alone Turn 2. Next time you try to pretend you have experience when you don't, might wanna disable other people viewing your achievements on Lodestone.
10-05-2013, 07:42 AM
Firescorpio

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Originally Posted by CurlyBruce

You know how I know you are full of shit? You don't have a Relic on WAR, and you don't have the Achievement for Binding Coil Turn 1 let alone Turn 2. Next time you try to pretend you have experience when you don't, might wanna disable other people viewing your achievements on Lodestone.

Well fuck me 2 was a typo and maybe i should have been more clear, and typed (haven't cleared) but other than that how does that invalidate me or my experience? or make me a bullshitter of any sort?. As i said if i was intending to hide anything i would have hidden my achievements but i'm not. but hey no hurt done i know i'm not bullshitting or trying to bullshit anyone so i take no offense at all.
10-05-2013, 08:08 AM
Viridiana

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Originally Posted by Firescorpio

Well fuck me 2 was a typo and maybe i should have been more clear, and typed (haven't cleared) but other than that how does that invalidate me or my experience? or make me a bullshitter of any sort?. As i said if i was intending to hide anything i would have hidden my achievements but i'm not. but hey no hurt done i know i'm not bullshitting or trying to bullshit anyone so i take no offense at all.

If I'm reading this right, you haven't cleared Turn 1, correct? I'm wondering how your group does Caduceus, since I'm not seeing how a WAR could MT that. . .
10-05-2013, 08:12 AM
Harmonium

Another drama thread...

Paladin is far better than war, i have a PLD and a war.

Already on titan you feel the difference, and more after him.

That all.
10-05-2013, 08:18 AM
Jediman

SE needs to make WAR a DPS job... its reminding me off dark knight right now.
10-05-2013, 08:20 AM
Harmonium

If i would Dps i would play my BLM.
10-05-2013, 08:21 AM
Martin_Arcainess

I do see more PLA over Wars, my main is a level 50 PLD and I'm getting up my MRD so I can cross skills some over to my PLA.

But yeah, I have seen more PLA then WAR,

Dose War have more HP then PLA? Because PLA Deference along with it's higher then average HP is a decent setting.
10-05-2013, 08:23 AM
Jediman

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Originally Posted by Harmonium

If i would Dps i would play my BLM.

war has all ways been dps in most final fantasy games

Like this both WAR - PLD will ask for the same thing since both are tank jobs
I'm sure they will come out with tank class once they have put WAR a DPS class.
10-05-2013, 08:26 AM
Harmonium

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jediman

war has all ways been dps in most final fantasy games

Like this both WAR - PLD will ask for the same thing since both are tank jobs
I'm sure they will come out with tank class once they have put WAR a DPS class.

Yes but warrior should be a tank in "THIS" Game.

If he wasn't or can't realy be one, SE should telling me this before. I seriously didn't leveled a War if i know i can't be good at end game.

The only thing make me happy, is i have already the full stuff for my PLD.
10-05-2013, 08:30 AM
Jediman

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Originally Posted by Harmonium

Yes but warrior should be a tank in "THIS" Game.

If he wasn't or can't realy be one, SE should telling me this before. I seriously didn't leveled a War if i know i can't be good at end game.

The only thing make me happy, is i have already the full stuff for my PLD.

Well I can see it going unbalance because most people would opt out for damage=war rather then damage reduction=pld.
also most players would want the WAR to do more damage in the longer run.

but anyways WAR can't do end game stuff anyways lol
10-05-2013, 08:34 AM
Harmonium

Yep we are stuck, better roll a PLD than wait some update who maybe will never come you see.