Petition:Making EXP Parties viable!

It's already starting, I see less people in zones now after the free month. Fates are having less players too...

To keep it short and simple, 5months-1year from now Fates will be a thing of the past. Any new player or someone wanting to roll another job is going to have a hard time!

EXP Parties (mob exp too) Should be brought inline with FATE exp and SHOULD be a viable choice!

There will always be others levelling alt classes, I think we are being spoiled because right now fates are being zerged and completed within minutes and sometimes under a minute.

I don't see what this has to do with what you're referring to. FATEs being a thing of the past will occur because everyone has leveled all their battle classes, which has nothing to do with how many options people have to level in groups.

Later dungeons could probably do with some extra experience points rewards, though, IMO. They could also make the Darkhold harder if they want to justify it someway, since that dungeon is currently disproportionately easy.

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Originally Posted by Taeyeon

There will always be others levelling alt classes, I think we are being spoiled because right now fates are being zerged and completed within minutes and sometimes under a minute.

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One in a rare while I might duo an NM fate with another person. We usually both pull out our chocobos and go for it. The Two-Tails NM in South Shroud is a good example of a FATE that's not usually done.

Fights are lengthy but can be fun. Sometimes I try and solo them with SMN/Titan tank, which is actually pretty easy, just takes a long while.

One of my most fond memories from beta was soloing the Attack on Redbelly Fortress FATE on my Lancer. The one that comes in two parts and has the tortoise Shredder at the end. It was a ridiculous fight dealing with adds and trying to complete it in time, but I did it!! I'm wondering if I'll ever have a second chance at that.

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Originally Posted by Iecerint

I don't see what this has to do with what you're referring to. FATEs being a thing of the past will occur because everyone has leveled all their battle classes, which has nothing to do with how many options people have to level in groups.

Later dungeons could probably do with some extra experience points rewards, though, IMO. They could also make the Darkhold harder if they want to justify it someway, since that dungeon is currently disproportionately easy.

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I should have made it more simple and clear i guess, Svara and the chimera dude are timed events, without the current zerg we have now these fates may not be do able with a handful of people.

also when you think about it, most fates offer roughly quest exp, so once the gen pop has leveled, FATES will be slower than questing or at equivalant speed. Without quest yeah...


INCREASE MOB EXP SE, Bring back EXP parties!

I miss grind parties myself. Personally I think leveling is to fast, I don't know how htis game is supposed to last someone a decade when there's people with multiple 50's after the game has been out for a month.

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Originally Posted by nasomi

I miss grind parties myself. Personally I think leveling is to fast, I don't know how htis game is supposed to last someone a decade when there's people with multiple 50's after the game has been out for a month.

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Well, the AK grind will take people several months. But I agree with you.

On the other hand, I'm happy that getting my cross-class abilities isn't any more dull than it needs to be.

As a former XI player of many years, I can see the merit of the suggestion, but I'd rather them do the following first:

1) Make guildhests give their first time bonus for each class.
2) Increase dungeon XP across the board.
3) Make dungeons give their first time bonus for each class.

I just want to say this to people, EXP parties are EXTREMELY viable, but not in the way that the game intends. If you can find the right spot and people (you need 10-14 chains), it's actually faster to level with an "exp party" than it is to level via fate grinding. Though it's really only about 50% faster.

Of course, my definition of EXP party probably isn't the same (i.e. having a lower level player tag all the mobs, and having a higher level player kill them all). But this is currently the fastest way to level.

If FATEs ever become a thing of the past, I'll be there, selling all of the Pudgy Puks, Infant Imps, and Smallshells for grossly inflated prices. MWAHAHAHAHAHA.

OK, maybe not.

I believe I've read that exp parties do work, and are actually faster than fates. Get a group of 8 people together and go find a decent set of mobs that spawn fast and are around 5 levels above the players. I've heard that chaining in this fashion gets tons and tons of exp. The main hindrance to this is that you can't arbitrarily level sync down to another players level. So variation in group levels can make this rather difficult to create a party for.

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

I believe I've read that exp parties do work, and are actually faster than fates. Get a group of 8 people together and go find a decent set of mobs that spawn fast and are around 5 levels above the players. I've heard that chaining in this fashion gets tons and tons of exp. The main hindrance to this is that you can't arbitrarily level sync down to another players level. So variation in group levels can make this rather difficult to create a party for.

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This is true.

Japanese groups have been doing this for a while, and it is a very effective way to level.


But very few people want to bother trying to find 8 ppl the same level --- and so nobody hears about them, and thus it never becomes mainstream.

But select FCs and LSs have had a lot of success with exp pts once they get them properly organized.

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

This is true.

Japanese groups have been doing this for a while, and it is a very effective way to level.


But very few people want to bother trying to find 8 ppl the same level --- and so nobody hears about them, and thus it never becomes mainstream.

But select FCs and LSs have had a lot of success with exp pts once they get them properly organized.

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Right, but not many people know this, not only that you'll be hard pressed to find 8 people @ your level and willing to sit and grind mobs as the "mainstream" makes out fates to be the best.


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Mainstream should be exp parties, plain and simple. Not only that they should increase dungeon exp too, currently they seem to be the slowest form of exp and take the longest...

My guess is that the devs will say: "Working as intended"

You want good solo exp with some storyline/lore/rewards? >> QUESTS/MISSIONS/GUILDLEVES/HUNTING LOGS
You want quick and stupid easy exp with GC seals? >> FATEs
You want small-party grind exp & free gear in the process? >> DUNGEON RUNS
You want to invest time in setting up for optimal grinding and the MOST exp/hr? > FULL OPEN-WORLD PT



Are you complaining that more people choose the easy way rather than the best?

Heh, welcome to human nature...

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

Are you complaining that more people choose the easy way rather than the best?

Heh, welcome to human nature...

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No, Mob's should just have their EXP increased, simple as that!

I agree bring Exp Party from 1.0 Back, it weired because I enjoy 1.0 much more then 2.0 when I started it with a couple of friends. We were doing Exp Party chaining mob and it was such a blast.

Exp party now is not that viable and effective anymore, it required 8 people chaining, mob don't spawn fast enough like in 1.0 and the chain is just not that good of a exp. Bring back the fun exp chain in 1.0 SE.

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Originally Posted by Taeyeon

There will always be others levelling alt classes, I think we are being spoiled because right now fates are being zerged and completed within minutes and sometimes under a minute.

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Agreed, I know that people say FATE's require no skill or attention, but that is due to above reasons, I have done FATEs in dead zones with 1-2 of my friends, they are hard indeed and require skill.

Lets face it, whenever an MMO is out or xpac is released, the leveling process is always a mess until the initial leveling rush dies down, at-least, unlike WoW, we don't have to fight each other on quest credit.

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Originally Posted by Sentinel

Agreed, I know that people say FATE's require no skill or attention, but that is due to above reasons, I have done FATEs in dead zones with 1-2 of my friends, they are hard indeed and require skill.

Lets face it, whenever an MMO is out or xpac is released, the leveling process is always a mess, at-least, unlike WoW, we don't have to fight each other on quest credit.

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IMO fates are actually really satisfying and fun to level on if you're in an otherwise empty zone with a party of ~4-6 people. Maybe even 8 if you're the only party in zone.

They just become a mindless zergfest once you have like 3 parties of 8 running from Fate to Fate and blowing them up in 3 seconds.

Exp parties are already viable like for example there is one spot near where dark devices spawns. I prefer just sitting there to chasing fates around.

Depending on your class, if you're starting from level 1 and trying to do FATEs now, you sometimes have to just ignore a perfectly good Fate. Take the Chupacabra in La Nocsea. I would always grind in that area when I was leveling at first for the abilities of thauramage and conjurer for scholar, but once I started to level Marauder for it's abilities on a Paladin, there was barely anyone around. Without a healer, there is NO WAY for some classes to even attempt to solo a Fate, much less look at it. Most people now are about the end game and all that fun.

Course, I'm not worrying about that. Still level 44 as a scholar and ignoring Stone Vigil and beyond due to the fact that I just wanna craft. ;p

This seems like a good place to ask, I didn't wanna make a new thread(how dare I) But are there no mobs higher then lv 49 anywhere? I was running around trying to lv my choco with my 50war and I was only able to find lots of lv 49 spots. Also if there are no lv 50s, where is the most concentrated areas where there are lv 49s? The best I've seen is in beastman strongholds, and really with just me and my other 2 friends + chocos, we clear everything out and have to either wait for mobs to spawn, or walk a little bit to another section where mobs are, and either one takes time, I was just hoping there was a better place to make this more efficient.

I think dungeons should be brought inline with fates before world mobs are. Buffing worlds mobs will just increase the effectiveness of fates.

E.g. say they made world mobs five +500% exp from where they are now....

IN fate trains now, when I'm tagging stuff, I pull any world mobs near by into the zerg fest so we can get an extra 100+ exp per mob I pull in, I reckon that doing this 20-50 gave me at least an extra 500,000 exp. If world mobs got buffed a lot Dark Devices would be giving out 500,000+ exp instead of the 50k to 200,000 it does now.

You would indrectly make fates a bigger problem than they are now.

Dungeons are pretty much the new "xp party" spots if you think about it. Imo, the xp gains on them do need to be raised a little.

Increase mob/dungeon exp in 2.1 SE

I pretty much have no enthusiasm for starting an alt class now because I don't want to be doing mindless FATE zerging, I guess I can choose not to, but effort to reward ratio is just too good...

Contrast this to FFXI where I actually looked forward to leveling an alt job, had gear I've been saving for months ready to go and actually enjoyed camps with skillchains and optimal play was rewarded with a high exp/hour rate.

But button mash my way to 50 again? Hell no - once my endgame gets too boring I'm probably done till they fix the 1-50 grind.

Sorry for the necro. Curious if any of the people who posted here are still around and have tried Eureka. How close is it to what you wanted?

Fates scale to the players in zone. Most jobs should be able to solo them if the zone is as dead as the OP is indicating. Additionally with the jobs that start at lv 1 they have a hunting log that is literally heaps of free exp with hardly any time or effort after getting attuned to aetherytes with your first job which is going to get a good amount of exp just by doing the MSQ.

As for Eureka. As it is now its mostly a fate train. The only difference is these fates are on timers and are force popped by players killing specific enemies.

Death penalty really isn't a thing with all the people in zone that can raise unless you happen to die off someplace on your own away from everyone.