Don't start a boss fight if someone is watching a cutscene

I was going through the Thousand Maws of Toto-Rak for the first time the other day, and when we got to the final boss fight, I got pulled into a cutscene. As I've been rather enjoying the story of the game, I wanted to watch the scene. I figured that, with the warning at the beginning of the dungeon of a first-timer, my party members would know to wait before starting the fight. Apparently not. Shouldn't there be a stipulation in the code or something about not allowing the boss to start until everyone is out of a cutscene?

This happened me in one of the earlier dungeons.
One of the others ran to the end boss and activated the cut scene, I watched it as it was my first time in there, and by the time I had came out of the cut scene, the other guys had started attacking the boss and I was trapped behind the purple screen and couldn't participate in the fight.

They beat him mind you and did well to do it.

I'd prefer they keep it the way it is. If we're going for a speed run and someones PC loads slower I'd prefer the ability to proceed while he is getting through the video. I'd hate to lose any flexibility over other players lack of common sense.

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Originally Posted by Little_Ifrit

This happened me in one of the earlier dungeons.
One of the others ran to the end boss and activated the cut scene, I watched it as it was my first time in there, and by the time I had came out of the cut scene, the other guys had started attacking the boss and I was trapped behind the purple screen and couldn't participate in the fight.

They beat him mind you and did well to do it.

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Unfortunately, my party died since I'm the Healer. When I came out of the cutscene, I was alone with the giant scorpion thing. Thankfully, it didn't attack me and I was able to wait for everyone to get back. I knew that it was our tank's fault though, since he was running pell-mell through the whole dungeon without even checking to see if the rest of the party was with him. Then he abandoned us after we lost again.

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Originally Posted by Hokulol

I'd prefer they keep it the way it is. If we're going for a speed run and someones PC loads slower I'd prefer the ability to proceed while he is getting through the video. I'd hate to lose any flexibility over other players lack of common sense.

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How is watching a cut-scene for the first time, especially a story-centric cutscene, lack of common sense. I would understand it if it were the starting cutscene at the beginning of the dungeon, or if there hadn't been the warning that this was one or more player's first time in the dungeon, but neither of those were the case.

Just wait until the final two dungeons, where everyone's excuse is either "You can watch them at the inn.", "We will run out of time!" or both.

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Originally Posted by DragonSlayer45

Just wait until the final two dungeons, where everyone's excuse is either "You can watch them at the inn.", "We will run out of time!" or both.

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Do the final dungeons really so long that a few minutes could cause you to go over time? Aren't you given 90 minutes?

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Originally Posted by djnealb

Do the final dungeons really so long that a few minutes could cause you to go over time? Aren't you given 90 minutes?

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No, the final dungeons both give you two hours to complete 'em and I can guarantee you that will never go over that limit unless you wipe repeatedly. It has nothing to do with the cutscenes. Not entirely their fault though. Just Square Enix's dumb idea to make the most (or only) story heavy dungeons a place to farm endgame.

It gets worse, believe me, I only finished Thousand Maws of Toto-Rak watching all CS because I run it with my FC.

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Originally Posted by eikomakimachi

It gets worse, believe me, I only finished Thousand Maws of Toto-Rak watching all CS because I run it with my FC.

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I would have liked to have done something similar, but most of my friends are on another server, and I don't want to join a FC when I know I'll be transferring later.

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Originally Posted by DragonSlayer45

No, the final dungeons both give you two hours to complete 'em and I can guarantee you that will never go over that limit unless you wipe repeatedly. It has nothing to do with the cutscenes. Not entirely their fault though. Just Square Enix's dumb idea to make the most (or only) story heavy dungeons a place to farm endgame.

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What I don't understand, is why they just don't put the cutscenes before the DF match, or after the Duty is exited. Other than the storyline bits that accompany the Primals, every dungeon I've been to seems to throw an unnecessary long cutscene before AND after the final boss. I think the only cutscene that was actually relevant to be before the boss was the one to "Thousand Maws of Toto-Rak"

Given, this isn't the only game that does this. What they could have opted for Mabinogi's solution which is the Party Leader can group-cancel the cutscene. However...
This comes pack to a problem with how the game assigns a party lead, and who actually is the Party lead. In every dungeon the Party Lead is always the tank, and they're always the one who wants to rush it. The game should automatically assign the Party Lead to one of the players who hasn't completed the dungeon yet. Or the game itself could just use a "skip all cutscenes I've seen" feature.

I skipped the CS the OP is talking about intending to watch it later. The entry for Toto-Rak only has TWO CSes you can watch, the intro and the victory, this long one IS NOT AVAILABLE. I therefore will never see it, so next time I'm not going to consider the others, sorry, the game doesn't let me.

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Originally Posted by KraggyKor

I skipped the CS the OP is talking about intending to watch it later. The entry for Toto-Rak only has TWO CSes you can watch, the intro and the victory, this long one IS NOT AVAILABLE. I therefore will never see it, so next time I'm not going to consider the others, sorry, the game doesn't let me.

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Check the Journal for the storyline that goes with that dungeon. There should be an intro, one with the boss changing size due to masked badguy, and one when you defeat the boss (after you hit the exit) which has the Elder from Little Solace. The latter I believe is part of the storyline.

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Originally Posted by DragonSlayer45

Just wait until the final two dungeons, where everyone's excuse is either "You can watch them at the inn.", "We will run out of time!" or both.

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Yes, I and another tank and damage got this shoved down throat and crap-talked constantly for sticking to not skipping the scenes on Praetorium, to which personally I always replied invariably that I won't skip the scenes my *first* time through for the added padding of cushion time to account for possible wipes. As it turns, we were churning through with abundant throughput and the individual talking the worst and warning of doom and gloom, and it being our fault if we missed timer, ceased said crap-talk.

In the end, we one-shot everything, with another and I never skipping a scene. Did the multiple aggressors apologize? Negative. But I can surmise it was felt and unspoken.

Point being, *first* time though, if you want to enjoy the story then I would advise do so; there would be more runs and more runs so don't ruin your first.

As a note, I did click through dialogue with decent expedition, but refused to skip, and again we arrived at the end with over 40 minutes to spare.

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Originally Posted by djnealb

I was going through the Thousand Maws of Toto-Rak for the first time the other day, and when we got to the final boss fight, I got pulled into a cutscene. As I've been rather enjoying the story of the game, I wanted to watch the scene. I figured that, with the warning at the beginning of the dungeon of a first-timer, my party members would know to wait before starting the fight. Apparently not. Shouldn't there be a stipulation in the code or something about not allowing the boss to start until everyone is out of a cutscene?

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Unfortunately, this is not a technical issue, but SE could code in something that if someone is in a CS, they can not engage the boss. However, that can also be prone to abuse (e.g., the one lone player can purposely stay in CS until the dungeon timer runs down) Since I play a tank (not this character, I've rerolled since the start), I can control this and will just /sit while someone is in a CS, preventing the kinds of problem you are facing.

I have always done instances as a tank. If it's my first time I will watch cutscenes. If they charge in without me or get me locked out then they can go fudge themselves the party list says I'm in a cutscene.

The first time I did the last two instances I got left behind while watching CS because noone said a word cept they all got pissy when everyone died. I got time I can do em as many times as needed but the first time I'd like to see the CS.

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Originally Posted by djnealb

How is watching a cut-scene for the first time, especially a story-centric cutscene, lack of common sense. I would understand it if it were the starting cutscene at the beginning of the dungeon, or if there hadn't been the warning that this was one or more player's first time in the dungeon, but neither of those were the case.

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It's common sense not to start the encounter while someone in your party is marked in a cut scene. I never said or intended that it was common sense to not watch the cut scene. Not trying to condescend to you, but, you are aware players are marked in the party UI, right?

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Originally Posted by djnealb

I would have liked to have done something similar, but most of my friends are on another server, and I don't want to join a FC when I know I'll be transferring later.

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That's sad to hear ><

Oh well, here is an interesting thing to think: What if the healer and the tank decide to just watch the cutscenes and the DPS go to boss fight without them? Once the tank and I (healer) got error 90000 in the middle of a dungeon and when we came back chaos happened...

You start instances together in that little red swirly circle thing.
Simple solution... Just patch the game logic so nobody can leave it till everybody has finished the cs.
Also, disable the chat box entirely during cs... That way, impatient kids will waste their breath not being able to chide or bitch at the people while their enjoying the story.
Impotent rage, is best rage.

??? You can't leave the circle until everyone has finished the cutscene ???

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Originally Posted by Nin-Lil-izi

You start instances together in that little red swirly circle thing.
Simple solution... Just patch the game logic so nobody can leave it till everybody has finished the cs.
Also, disable the chat box entirely during cs... That way, impatient kids will waste their breath not being able to chide or bitch at the people while their enjoying the story.
Impotent rage, is best rage.

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Originally Posted by Hokulol

It's common sense not to start the encounter while someone in your party is marked in a cut scene. I never said or intended that it was common sense to not watch the cut scene. Not trying to condescend to you, but, you are aware players are marked in the party UI, right?

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Ok, I guess I just misunderstood your original statement. And yes, I do know that Party List shows if someone is in a cutscene. My gripe was the our original tank just barged ahead and didn't even pay attention to that.

Greetings folks,

We appreciate you taking the time to report this concern you are having to us. However, since this sounds like a feedback/suggestions discussion rather than a technical support issue, I will be closing this particular thread.

Good luck and have fun!