I decided to do Behemoth, dropped out of my 30 minute queue in hopes to have some fun and obtain some horns.
This refers to my thread about healers having no place in PvE and I think this proves it.
I was there from the start, never left and didn't die, I always had a Regen on the tank + other party members. There was not 1s that the tank didn't have a Regen from me and about 12 Stoneskin's, I also put Virus on Behemoth whenever I could. And come to my surprise I got nothing from the fight, all I got was a FATE complete message. I clearly deserved Gold, no healer in my party got anything either.. How is this fair?
The first time I did Behemoth was in a group of 3 people and I pretty much just spammed Aero and Stone2, didn't heal anyone once and still got Bronze, but this time I actually do very well and get naught? I am not a happy camper.
Wow Square-Enix..
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10-01-2013, 02:38 PMAnimationWow Square-Enix..
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10-01-2013, 02:42 PMBrises
I have never gotten anything for healing in fates. I get gold by using holy or spamming stone II. Most of the game zero to 50 does not support party play.
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10-01-2013, 02:43 PMToraoKoga
Maybe its a lagging issue. Sometimes whenever I do fates from start, I get nothing , but not all the time
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10-01-2013, 02:43 PMNeasa
If no healer in your group got anything, neither did anyone else. -.-; Everyone in the group gets the same reward from a FATE. I'd hope you'd know that by 50, but it's pretty evident you're rather ignorant of the game mechanics by that other topic. :\
If they got something, you did too. Check your inventory - The message doesn't always show, but you will get the EXP/Seals/Item reward. -
10-01-2013, 02:44 PMMrSativa
you dont have to do any dmg to the boss
if your party does enough damage however, you could show up at 10secs left and still get full credit.
your party however has to kill atleast 30% of its hp to get credit if they didnt claim the monster.
simply enough your party fell short because it wasn't a full party
get in a 8 man party -
10-01-2013, 02:45 PMCronoLuminare
Behemoth and all the other daily/weekly spawns need some serious work, I avoid them at all costs for the time being.
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10-01-2013, 02:45 PMAlerith
This isn't limited to healers.
As a Paladin, I too got nothing. Not a bronze or anything. Just "FATE Completed" as if I had just walked on in, surveyed the battlefield and had a picnic. -
10-01-2013, 02:46 PMBrisesNot true. I have been in parties where people got different rewards. I only get a decent result in a party if I attack.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neasa
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10-01-2013, 02:47 PMAnimationSeems legit. Everyone in the party got something but the healers. I'm not ignorant of anything, I made sure to ask before I made assumptions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neasa
Go back and re-read my post, thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrSativa
That's exactly how it felt to be honest. As if I just walked in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alerith
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10-01-2013, 02:58 PMBalaur
There appears to be an enmity component to FATEs. You have to produce enough enmity to be noticed by a mob. As a healer, this means overhealing. Not just topping off, but overcuring. You need to be able to produce as much enmity as a DD in a fight, or more. Raising also seems to produce enmity. My sister does this on Odin/Behemoth, and it at least seems to help her get silver. Overheal people who have enmity from the big guys, and raise people when you can and heal 'em up.
It is horrible that this is this way. Supposedly for 2.1, SE will be adjusting things for Odin/Behemoth to make them work better. -
10-01-2013, 03:03 PMMrSativahow about reading mine?Quote:
Originally Posted by Animation
YOU GOT NO REWARD BECAUSE YOUR PARTY DIDN'T HELP ENOUGH
if you wernt in a party do you heal yourslef to fight? no, so therefor you would of gotten credit by blasting away instead of healing.
but in a party you heal to fight.
your party you were in sucked, they didn't scratch behemoth.
ive shown up to fates 10secs before they are done, and my party is there killing, i get full exp reward. w/o touching the mobs or boss AT ALL.
so therefore this same thing will happen in behemoth...
i think its you who isnt reading.
be a selfish whm, join no party, blast away, bam full credit.
join a party then you have to reley on them to do enough damage to get credit as a party.
the requirement as solo player is less damage to the boss for reward. -
10-01-2013, 03:03 PMAnimationEven then I did overheal and I even did Medica2 a fair bit, just for increased healing etc to try and get higher, I raised people I pretty much did everything and i was still gimped on it..Quote:
Originally Posted by Balaur
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10-01-2013, 03:04 PMKaralie
The same thing happened today. I was doing a fate on my whm, healing the tanks, keeping the mob with dots, stoneskin etc, only got the fate completed message, with no increase in seals etc. I think it might be a bug with the way our contributions are tracked. It's registering the dps but not the healing.
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10-01-2013, 03:09 PMEmSix
FATE rewards are decided by the amount of enmity generated by you and your party during the FATE, it is also proportional to the total amount of enmity generated by everyone present in the FATE. It is also graded a lot more strict in special HNM-style FATE.
The more people are there (and in Behemoth, there are hundreds) and the rarer the FATE, the harder you have to work to get graded.
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10-01-2013, 03:15 PMMalamasala
There actually seems to be a bug around in fates where you get nothing but fate completed. Yesterday I claimed a NM fate, was in a party, and did as much damage as I usually do for gold. Got nothing but kill exp.
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10-01-2013, 03:20 PMEclipsedThis, if you want gold as a tank slot Flash and spam it until you run out of mana. This will get you gold in any fate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Balaur
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10-01-2013, 03:28 PMaswedishtiger
lol this game is so screwed right now. the ain't of ppl that I personally know alone that aren't subbing because of dumb shit like this is ridiculous. i'm already preparing for A Realm Reborn Revisited 3.0
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10-01-2013, 03:35 PMShuonkthxbaiQuote:
Originally Posted by aswedishtiger
to OP, I have quite a few encounters wherr I got the fate complete message but didnt see anything exp/gold/seal show up on my log, but in actual fact i did get them; sometimes, the text comes up up aftet i kill a monster, or after another fate. seems like the chatlog is bugged. -
10-01-2013, 03:54 PMDeceptionsWrath
Atleast you got to see Behemoth!!! I did Behemoth a few days ago as my 45 WHM and he never rendered for me. I raised like 20+ people, regened some people fighting and did a few stoneskins to a few lvl 50 PLD's and i got nothing as well. So i never even got to see Behemoth once. The whole 10 minutes i saw random players and their chocobo companion, but i couldn't see what everyone was casting on or swinging @. Wonderful Job SE. Thankfully i could see other players and their chocobos, because that's what i go to fates for..... :mad:
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10-01-2013, 03:56 PMAdelphe
Either way, as a WHM at the moment, once i get my Summoner or another dps to 50, i wont be doing odin/behemoth as a healer, or any fate at level 50 to be honest, just so much easier to get gold with a dps class, although for some fates holy spam works nicely, but 1. for odin doing that will get you hated and 2. behemoth if your close enough to holy, your probably dead already.
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10-01-2013, 04:02 PMHealBus
Make sure you actually have done some damage to the boss to get your gold. Some dude on reddit (I think) did the number crunching for healers in FATEs so read up on it a bit if you can find it. I stopped getting bronze on boss fates (whilst everyone else in the party gets gold) after I learnt to keep aero up on the boss while healing.
As for Odin/Behemoth there are so many issues wrong with those FATEs that I am not even sure if reward tuning is up there on the top priorities. -
10-01-2013, 04:07 PMAlemanaWhat's lagging exactly?Quote:
Originally Posted by ToraoKoga