Honestly MH Wilds EX is brilliant. (And other raids should take note)

I don't just mean the fight. For most raiders it's probably too easy, but other than that the fight is fun, but more importantly;

I think Savage & Ultimate raids could use something similar to the potion mechanic.
Atleast as a setting in the PF finder.

It helps alot when you're just progging to be able to keep people alive a bit longer to see whats next etc.

Now, I don't think you should be rewarded with the raid gear if you would enable the potion mechanic for savage or ultimate raids.

One of my main gripes as to why I have not raided more is that even the smallest mistake while still learning the fight is punished so heavily and alot of people lose patience when progging because someone keeps misunderstanding a mechanic.

As we can see with this EX, as you start getting better and better you start using potions less and less. And that's a good indicator that maybe you can do it without the potions.

Maybe it's just me, but I'm sick and tired of trying to prog savage semi casually, whereby eeverytime when I do put the effort to learn a fight I am punished so heavily if I make even the slightest mistake. Especially when just learning.

Just my two cents on the matter. I know some hardcore raiders are really opposed to the idea, but to them I'd say you wouldn't have to enable this "pity system".

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Originally Posted by Kirutsuki

I don't just mean the fight. For most raiders it's probably too easy, but other than that the fight is fun, but more importantly;

I think Savage & Ultimate raids could use something similar to the potion mechanic.
Atleast as a setting in the PF finder.

It helps alot when you're just progging to be able to keep people alive a bit longer to see whats next etc.

Now, I don't think you should be rewarded with the raid gear if you would enable the potion mechanic for savage or ultimate raids.

One of my main gripes as to why I have not raided more is that even the smallest mistake while still learning the fight is punished so heavily and alot of people lose patience when progging because someone keeps misunderstanding a mechanic.

As we can see with this EX, as you start getting better and better you start using potions less and less. And that's a good indicator that maybe you can do it without the potions.

Maybe it's just me, but I'm sick and tired of trying to prog savage semi casually, whereby eeverytime when I do put the effort to learn a fight I am punished so heavily if I make even the slightest mistake. Especially when just learning.

Just my two cents on the matter. I know some hardcore raiders are really opposed to the idea, but to them I'd say you wouldn't have to enable this "pity system".

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I can say that watching what boss will do is way more exciting aside of annoying limit cut phase.
It's a good fight indeed way better than boring DDR scheme we have in the other fights.
However the clutter is there so if they kept it more balanced as it is with valigarmanda i would be just as great.
7/10 fight

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Originally Posted by Kirutsuki

Maybe it's just me, but I'm sick and tired of trying to prog savage semi casually, whereby eeverytime when I do put the effort to learn a fight I am punished so heavily if I make even the slightest mistake. Especially when just learning.

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I mean that's the point, you get better at the earlier mechanics through repetition while getting to the later ones and trying to clear

Don't know about the potion mechanic (though I do agree that more optional actions in that vein would make fights more interesting).
What I do think though is that the MH fight does a few things correct that should be continued going forward.

The first is that Ex is basically a continuation of normal mode outside limit cut.
You learn the basics and can use them in a spiced up Ex version. Personally that is far better than say M6S which is basically an entirely different fight the greater part of the playerbase will never see.
As "ok" as I find this Ex fight, I think it does a great job at bridging the gap between normal and Ex.

The second thing I genuinely like and would love to see going forward is the weapon reward structure.
It's been too long since normal modes gave usable rewards. Getting the weapons there and upgrading them through Ex is imo a great way in gearing lesser used jobs and it still has the "unique" reward from an Ex fight.

Potions in every challenging fight, or how to finally put every healer in the grave because progression is the only time they're actually having fun.

But I guess, if this frees up healing requirements and pushes PVE definitely out of the trinity model, maybe they can find something more engaging for healers to do as a result, who knows...

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Originally Posted by Valence

Potions in every challenging fight, or how to finally put every healer in the grave because progression is the only time they're actually having fun.

But I guess, if this frees up healing requirements and pushes PVE definitely out of the trinity model, maybe they can find something more engaging for healers to do as a result, who knows...

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From what I've heard about the EX, even with potions it seems to be fun due to the random vuln stacks, but I wouldn't know I don't do healers in raids.
Did the EX just now and I had a moment with 5 vuln stacks cause I kept messing things up, we still cleared, but surely that was fun for a healer in some regard.

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Originally Posted by SylvAlternate

I mean that's the point, you get better at the earlier mechanics through repetition while getting to the later ones and trying to clear

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Honestly, it's fun -to a point-, and I don't ever get frustated about a wall that people get stuck on, never have. In fact I am more than happy to bash my head against that wall repeatetly,
but I can still fully admit that it is a huge barrier of entry for many when they find those walls and people start commenting on it in chat.

I would not want savage to be something only those with a right mindset to participate in. I would love it if everyone could practise savage fights without feeling bad they got hit and the whole party wiped because of it.

You could still do the normal progging without potions if you chose to do it that way. I just think an option like this would lower the barrier of entry.
Especially if you plan to blind prog things rather than look up a guide.
I would say as much that potions like this would make people do blind progging alot more than guided ones.

It's really easy to get hit in the fight but it doesn't punish mistakes with instant death nearly as often as any other EX we've had in years, and healers can do a lot to keep people alive even with a few vuln stacks.
There's also still quite a bit of unavoidable damage spread out across the entire encounter and since megapotions take over a GCD to use I think it's still ideal for healers to do the healing. The potions are mainly useful for getting back up after a rez (especially as a healer imo) or in a pinch.

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Originally Posted by Kirutsuki

Honestly, it's fun -to a point-, and I don't ever get frustated about a wall that people get stuck on, never have. In fact I am more than happy to bash my head against that wall repeatetly,
but I can still fully admit that it is a huge barrier of entry for many when they find those walls and people start commenting on it in chat.

I would not want savage to be something only those with a right mindset to participate in. I would love it if everyone could practise savage fights without feeling bad they got hit and the whole party wiped because of it.

You could still do the normal progging without potions if you chose to do it that way. I just think an option like this would lower the barrier of entry.
Especially if you plan to blind prog things rather than look up a guide.
I would say as much that potions like this would make people do blind progging alot more than guided ones.

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I personally disagree. That's what EX is for.

They have already reduced the number of body checks in savage. Abyssos was notorious for those where almost every single mechanic was some form of a body check. You can also tell the long-term impact it had, and it's not the best.

The first couple of floors on savage are already very accessible. The M6S was a bit of an outlier, but it also showed how poor the raiding scene has become in terms of quality due to the previous choices they made.

I found this fight very interesting, to be fair, and an interesting spin on the Limit Cut mechanic. Rubicante still takes the cake for that one. I still shiver thinking about it..lol.