The Bibliothecs

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09-22-2025, 10:40 PM
Pimsan20

The Bibliothecs

So i just remembered about the Bibliothecs. We only learn about them in the astrologian job story and never heard form them again. Are there any lore bits about them or will we see them in a future expansions. I really wonder what their place will be after the final days.
09-23-2025, 04:08 AM
Dikatis

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Originally Posted by Pimsan20

So i just remembered about the Bibliothecs. We only learn about them in the astrologian job story and never heard form them again. Are there any lore bits about them or will we see them in a future expansions. I really wonder what their place will be after the final days.

There are some mentions of Sevestre in a sidequest or two, such as "A Literary Delivery" where he winds up ordering a book about Ishgardian Astrology because of how Leveva blackmailed him, leading him to study up on it to see how Sharlayan astrology is being "perverted".

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Welcome to Albright Manor! ...Do you have an appointment? Ah, yes, one copy of Ishgardian Astrology: A Comprehensive Theory, just as his lordship requested. I must confess to some confusion, however... What interest would his lordship, an esteemed practitioner of Sharlayan astrology, have in such an outdated Ishgardian discipline? ...Not that I am in any position to question his lordship's reading habits, of course. Ahem. On your way, then.

You can also catch a glimpse of him in cutscenes when the Forum is gathered as a cameo since he's a member. Predictably, he votes against our heroes.

However, his concerns are largely petty and overshadowed by the Final Days. And Sharlayan's opening of its borders following the end of its great work basically renders the Bibliothec's whole platform moot. It could be interesting politically to see how he and others like him would respond to this, but ultimately it's not the Warrior of Light's problem anymore and we're unlikely to explore it.

That said, I would like to dwarven deck him at some point.
09-23-2025, 04:24 AM
Pimsan20

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Originally Posted by Dikatis

There are some mentions of Sevestre in a sidequest or two, such as "A Literary Delivery" where he winds up ordering a book about Ishgardian Astrology because of how Leveva blackmailed him, leading him to study up on it to see how Sharlayan astrology is being "perverted".

You can also catch a glimpse of him in cutscenes when the Forum is gathered as a cameo since he's a member. Predictably, he votes against our heroes.

However, his concerns are largely petty and overshadowed by the Final Days. And Sharlayan's opening of its borders following the end of its great work basically renders the Bibliothec's whole platform moot. It could be interesting politically to see how he and others like him would respond to this, but ultimately it's not the Warrior of Light's problem anymore and we're unlikely to explore it.

That said, I would like to dwarven deck him at some point.

Yea, that is a bit of a shame. But it would be nice to see how it goes in Sharlyayan and it's current government. And it also could be a point where someone from the Forum, like a double agent. Or making a deal with the Winterer, becoming the only ruler of Sharlyayan by giving the heart of Sabik to them for the next expansions or something like that.
09-23-2025, 11:53 AM
Cleretic

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Originally Posted by Dikatis

However, his concerns are largely petty and overshadowed by the Final Days. And Sharlayan's opening of its borders following the end of its great work basically renders the Bibliothec's whole platform moot. It could be interesting politically to see how he and others like him would respond to this, but ultimately it's not the Warrior of Light's problem anymore and we're unlikely to explore it.

Is the Bibliothec's platform moot? Or did Endwalker just constitute a rhetorical loss that they have to rebuild from? The Bibliothecs are essentially isolationist conservatives; they're a political party. Political parties don't die after one policy pillar crumbles, they're just gonna pick a new angle. Hell, they might not even need to; they might just campaign on the events of Endwalker being a mistake and appeal to a base we don't really hear much about!

'Not our problem' is a big thing here, though. I would adore a game about high fantasy election politics (in fact I did, Metaphor ReFantazio is amazing), but that's not exactly a story that's gonna give us the scale and material that people play FFXIV for; it's gonna be really hard to get dungeons, trials, raids and zones out of the Bibliothecs doing some campaigning on a new policy. I could see it being good material for a role quest, but that hits a separate problem that Sharlayan is poorly-built for that in terms of zones; it'd feel a little weird to do that scale of adventuring only in Old Sharlayan and Labyrinthos.
09-28-2025, 08:20 AM
RedLolly

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Originally Posted by Cleretic

Is the Bibliothec's platform moot? Or did Endwalker just constitute a rhetorical loss that they have to rebuild from? The Bibliothecs are essentially isolationist conservatives; they're a political party. Political parties don't die after one policy pillar crumbles, they're just gonna pick a new angle. Hell, they might not even need to; they might just campaign on the events of Endwalker being a mistake and appeal to a base we don't really hear much about!

'Not our problem' is a big thing here, though. I would adore a game about high fantasy election politics (in fact I did, Metaphor ReFantazio is amazing), but that's not exactly a story that's gonna give us the scale and material that people play FFXIV for; it's gonna be really hard to get dungeons, trials, raids and zones out of the Bibliothecs doing some campaigning on a new policy. I could see it being good material for a role quest, but that hits a separate problem that Sharlayan is poorly-built for that in terms of zones; it'd feel a little weird to do that scale of adventuring only in Old Sharlayan and Labyrinthos.

We also bump into a Bibliotech that openly mentions he's swapping sides? It was a quest in Labyrinthos, but I can't recall what section it was from. They may be crumbling from the inside, and that would leave the most radical remain, logically.

Man, now I want us to explore it, somehow.
09-28-2025, 11:58 AM
Vallavia

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Originally Posted by Cleretic

Is the Bibliothec's platform moot? Or did Endwalker just constitute a rhetorical loss that they have to rebuild from? The Bibliothecs are essentially isolationist conservatives; they're a political party. Political parties don't die after one policy pillar crumbles, they're just gonna pick a new angle. Hell, they might not even need to; they might just campaign on the events of Endwalker being a mistake and appeal to a base we don't really hear much about!

I would argue that such a dramatic reversal of their party's main policy platform in the form of completely open borders and taking in vast amounts of refugees and foreign students would conceivably mean that enough people in their party either switched their position or affiliation such that either the platform or the party are no longer of any significant influence. Given that the calamity they wished to address via isolation has been permanently and irrevocably averted and the entire population now knows what it was for, there's no practical reason for isolationism other than pure xenophobia (which could be a compelling angle, but they seemed to have walked back Sharlayan being xenophobic for xenophobia's sake pretty profoundly as of Endwalker). I don't think they can gather a huge deal of public support seeing the huge amount of social strain it put on Sharlayan internally, particularly given that it doesn't really seem to align with the public's values anymore: Sharlayan is currently the beating heart of international cooperation and achievement.

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Originally Posted by Cleretic

'Not our problem' is a big thing here, though. I would adore a game about high fantasy election politics (in fact I did, Metaphor ReFantazio is amazing), but that's not exactly a story that's gonna give us the scale and material that people play FFXIV for; it's gonna be really hard to get dungeons, trials, raids and zones out of the Bibliothecs doing some campaigning on a new policy. I could see it being good material for a role quest, but that hits a separate problem that Sharlayan is poorly-built for that in terms of zones; it'd feel a little weird to do that scale of adventuring only in Old Sharlayan and Labyrinthos.

All that said, I do agree completely, and I also don't think historically that FFXIV is exceptionally good at grand politic storytelling anyhow. The entire Before the Fall thing could have been interesting had we not been forcibly returned to the status quo in every conceivable sense merely 30 quests later, I suppose, but other than that we only approach conversations about the role of the state very briefly and in very exceptional circumstances. That, and this doesn't particularly strike me as a story they wish to tell or even really remember in the grand scheme of things going forward: I would see an Eorzean reconciliation arc long before a hostile Bibliothec takeover arc, for instance.