Making Base classes Playable?

The kid and I have often lamented the loss of ARR class system. For a short 2 years we had cross class skills and unsoul stoned classes.
We were just wondering if it would ever be possible to go back to that and not have people be mad about it.
I'd still like to see gladiator being able to kick butt and still be able to heal like the guild master :cool:
Which I was able to crit heal for nearly 3600 hp on paladin before the cross skills were taken away.
Mostly we just want something that feels different without remaking the whole class.
This would breath some individuality back into this game.

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Originally Posted by Merryl

The kid and I have often lamented the loss of ARR class system. For a short 2 years we had cross class skills and unsoul stoned classes.
We were just wondering if it would ever be possible to go back to that and not have people be mad about it.
I'd still like to see gladiator being able to kick butt and still be able to heal like the guild master :cool:
Which I was able to crit heal for nearly 3600 hp on paladin before the cross skills were taken away.
Mostly we just want something that feels different without remaking the whole class.
This would breath some individuality back into this game.

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Cross class lasted all through HW as well.

The problem with cross class actions came mainly from 2 directions, the first being there was basically 1 choice, there was no decision making involved in what you picked. Even in the scenario where a job could pick from whatever class they wanted to, there will be a best pick, mainly focused around doing the maximum damage, which will take up 5 slots, so that would be max for any job, but going up to the 10 for classes, you might have some spill over for more damage then it is just defensive things, especially if you can use them oGCD. Using cure is going to go to waste for example as, unless you have the MND for it, it is going to be too weak to even consider.

I also think you are misremembering how much you healed for. A Paladin, using cure is not going to heal for 3600 HP, crit or no in ARR. It just doesn't have the mind stat for it.

The things that make jobs feel different isn't by taking things from other jobs, it is by making their gameplay unique, having more interactions between their skills, which just wouldn't happen with cross class actions.

The other problem is that people didn't want to level a second or third job just to play their jobs at max efficiency, making them potentially have to level them all would just be an even worse version of that.

At the very least, I would like jobs other than just Arcanist to have a branch. Some of them are quite obvious.

Conjurer's quests feel like Geomancer until it suddenly just becomes White Mage. Geomancer would be a nice Final Fantasy staple to have in FFXIV.

Archer is forced to become something more conceptually specialized, despite a straightforward archer being a great idea that has existed in FF before as Ranger.

Having Marauder branch into the current Tank Warrior as well as Damage Berserker (a popular FF job) would make a lot of sense as well.

Maybe something else would be a more appropriate alternative to Gladiator, but I'd love to see a Damage alternative to Paladin (Knight?), with classic FF abilities like Shock.

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Originally Posted by Jokubas

At the very least, I would like jobs other than just Arcanist to have a branch.

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In some of the older live letter they talked about this. TlDr - They hate the idea of it. Arcanist evolving into 2 jobs gave them major headaches apparently.

There was a time when lvl50 marauder were viable, in PvP they were able to get a high burst off with crossskill buffs.

Paladin is called Knight in Japanese - so idk... I am interested what they choose as next tank job if they ever release another one with next addon maybe.

What the game might need is talent trees like WoW has, so Paladin being able to be healer, damage dealer or tank, but this would be a major change to the whole combat system, which they are probably afraid of.