So you acknowledge atma farm was awful but do it again 12 sec later?

Am I missing something? Are you all right? Have you decided your new goal is to troll the players? At least that would explain a lot.

What's your endgame? make every person that is not either super casual or part of the most hardcore players of the game feel like they don't have their place in this game.

The conspiracy theorist in me begins to wonder if you're trying to kill your game.

And (before people come saying I just want things for free) that's coming from someone who like farming, did every HW, SB (not the BA step) and ShB relics.

Rng farm is awful because most of the time, you only feel like you lost your time, while a grind where you see yourself progress slowly but surely is far more enjoyable. A lot of discussion happened about relics over the past 3 to 4 years, the community was divided, but if there was ONE thing that the vast majority of players agreed on : that "we didn't want another ARR relics, Atmas were the wrost". Surprise! We got atmas again. Seriously, can your team that collect feedback even read? At this point, it's a legit question.

I've waited this content for years, it's day 2 and I would prefer you added the relics of newer jobs to eureka. That was more fun. You can do all the other things right (and occult crescent do several of them very well), if it's more frustrating than fun to play, that's all for nothing.

[edit 29/05]

So after playing a little more, I have to be honest and correct myself. It seem I got VERY unlucky on my first run. I got 4,5 hours, I got one Atma. But playing more yesterday evening and this morning, I got 9 more in about 5/6 hours. So in the end, the drop rate is not that bad. I'm at one point where I consider needing one of each for every subsequent relic would not be so bad.

I still think rng farm and calling them atma was and explosive combination, because it send a really bad message if you get unlucky in the beginning. Of course the reaction would be bad. You basically convoque the worst farm image of the game head before sending them in a rng farm, that will lead everyone that has bad rng in the beginning think about that image you planted in their head yourself. It's shooting yourself in the foot. Classic SE...

Now there is also a world where I got very lucky since yesterday evening. Time will tell.

On the other hand, people cannot wait 12 second before starting a fate, far worse than Bozja. Eureka was the best community wise. People are self centered in that "community content".

[edit 30/05]
Back to bad RNG. 5 more hours, 2 atmas (that I already had enough of). So Idk what to thing of it. gets frustrating to not progress at all on 5 hours of time. So in the end, I feel it's ok enough, but it's more frustrating than eureka or even bozja/zadnor ever was. A pnj to exchange atmas from color to another would be nice (I think of you, the person that got only dropped 8 orange atmas, and the one with 9 yellow), even at a 1 vs 2 exchange rate. It would ease/the end of the grind, when you have most of them, but that one color continue to elude you while the other color drop like flies.

I think one of the bigger issues is Yoshi P and team can never find a balanced way to respond to player complaints. They swing from one extreme to the other extreme, rather than finding a middle ground. This ends up alienating one section of the playerbase for a time. Then after feedback/complaints, they swing in another direction too far and alienate another group.

I actually think the majority of the discussion in recent years has been that the relics were too easy to get in Endwalker and that the grind was important, made them feel earned and prestigious, and gave people something to do as opposed to "playing other games".

I do agree that fixed grinds are better in general, because you can plan it and know exactly how long it will take. But if it's just FATEs, it's whatever. They're FATEs. You don't have to think while doing those, and can focus on the social interaction in party chat instead.

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I do agree that fixed grinds are better in general, because you can plan it and know exactly how long it will take.

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Maybe I'm the one person who finds fixed grinds to be… more like work or a job. There are no highs or lows in the process. Just bland, steady progress.

RNG is fine. It just needs a backstop. If it were up to me, {activity} would award 1 to N of {item}, and you need some multiple of N total items to proceed. The difference between zero and one at the low end makes a huge difference.

You need 3 of each color (so 3x6=18) and then you never have to do it again.
After it comes tomes farm, I don't know why you comlain?

It's not only about the actual farm, but the message it sends. As I said in another thread

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If there was ONE thing everyone agreed on, people that like grinding and those who don't, it's that we didn't want another ARR relic grind. The atmas left a such collective PTSD even players that weren't there at the time Atma grind was awful (today's atma grind is fine) still get the joke.

Fast forward a few years later, a lot of people are not happy with the direction the game is taking, and Occult crescent is the content they wait, hoping it will capture a fraction of the love they had for the game. And the first thing the present to you is doing the ONE THING everyone wished to avoid. It sends a really bad message. Of course people will strongly react. It's a PR nightmare, they tried to make a connection with the community by using a joke we all understand, without understanding why it became a joke, an did the exact same error they did 10 years ago.

Maybe this is blown a little out of proportion, but honestly what were they thinking? More than the fact they reused atmas, it's another proof they're out of touch with their community.When they joked about the atmas, I thought they called them like that to make a joke, and then it would be some kind of ShB relic grind. We would all have been "You got us there, we feared the worst". That would have created some kind of connivence between the players and the game. But in this reality, we actually got the worst.

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(ok PR nightmare was maybe a little too much, but it's still not a good move in term of image)

More complaining their relics aren't done in 12 hours.

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More complaining their relics aren't done in 12 hours.

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i think it's just RNG based often suck if you have bad RNG like if too me 2, days to not even have half of the atma and only have been doing that

The RNG kills it for me... FINE ill do 10exp per kill on an 5.000.000 bar, but "go and kill stuff, maybe 5 minutes, maybe 5 months...." just stop that.

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More complaining their relics aren't done in 12 hours.

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you could farm one ShB relics in about 30 hours. Nowadays SB ones are 25 to 30 hours.

There is nothing wrong with finding taking 24 hours for a first step too long.