SCH new ability idea

I just was playing SCH today for Expert Roulette, and noticed how the job was kinda clunky with the fairy-specific skills. If I use Dissipation, or summon Seraph, my fairy goes away and I can't use a bunch of my skills.

So I thought, wouldn't it be cool if the new expansion introduced an ability that allowed the SCH to have both Eos and Selene out at the same time? It would fix a lot of that clunkiness, plus you would have double passive healing on top of it.

Also, it would reintroduce a reason for there to be two fairies. Think about it, Yoshi-P!

Having both fairies out makes me wonder how their coding will allow us to command both of them? I.e. what will happen if you press Whispering Dawn when Eos is placed on the middle while Selene is following you? Not to mention, can we even make them do separate thing at the same time?

The list goes on... but as much as I wish they would reintroduce Selene, I think the dream is dead at this point. /playdead

Dissipation is an emergency button should fairy healing isn't sufficient. As I see it, it's a dead end ability just like how tank invulns are.

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

Having both fairies out makes me wonder how their coding will allow us to command both of them? I.e. what will happen if you press Whispering Dawn when Eos is placed on the middle while Selene is following you? Not to mention, can we even make them do separate thing at the same time?

The list goes on... but as much as I wish they would reintroduce Selene, I think the dream is dead at this point. /playdead

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Separate commands for separate pets.

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Originally Posted by rawker

Dissipation is an emergency button should fairy healing isn't sufficient. As I see it, it's a dead end ability just like how tank invulns are.

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I see the exact opposite, dissipation is the foundation by which all the healing in this game should be based

If you want something you should give something up in exchange, you shouldn’t just be given limitless free healing that has no interaction

dissipation (and to a lesser extent seraph) are the core of the entire SCH job design because it both determines where your heals go and when you can burst for more damage, I’d honestly argue dissipation is the single most perfect ability across any of the 4 healers as it stands right now

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

I see the exact opposite, dissipation is the foundation by which all the healing in this game should be based

If you want something you should give something up in exchange, you shouldn’t just be given limitless free healing that has no interaction

dissipation (and to a lesser extent seraph) are the core of the entire SCH job design because it both determines where your heals go and when you can burst for more damage, I’d honestly argue dissipation is the single most perfect ability across any of the 4 healers as it stands right now

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It's probably also the reason why so many people hate that ability, because it's not completely free. Healers after ShB are so used to having everything for free that they can't accept an ability that requires you to pay a price to get the benefits.

Allow SCH to summon as many fairies as they want.
And put that mobile game merging mechanic with that too : every 3 Eos become a Selene and every 3 Selene become a Seraph and 3 of those become a unique (Feo, Statice).
Use Dissipation on any fairy and get AF/buff depending on it's tier.

It sounds dumb (and probably is) but it's not that far from summoner, and if nothing else would be better than 99 broils

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Originally Posted by Aravell

It's probably also the reason why so many people hate that ability, because it's not completely free. Healers after ShB are so used to having everything for free that they can't accept an ability that requires you to pay a price to get the benefits.

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It's not so much the annoyance of "paying a price" It's the fact that no other healer loses access to 1/3 of their kit to gain a 20% increase in healing "magic" potency. It would go a long way if the buff applied to the oGCDs, but it doesn't. SCH only has 3 GCD heals and only one of them is a "pure" heal, so the buff applying to spells only is dumb.

Additionally, one could argue that, as a healer, the "trade" off for healing is less DPS. Plus SCH is the only job that doesn't have a heal and attack button. Reworking Dissipation is the perfect opportunity to fix that. But instead of a heal, it could be a shield, because honestly, that's what SCHs want more shielding skills.

Also for the OP

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Originally Posted by Wilford111

If I use Dissipation, or summon Seraph, my fairy goes away and I can't use a bunch of my skills.

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Seraph doesn't lock you out of using any faerie skills, you are just boosting the faeries heals, by adding a shield to the heal. The only skill that is "replaced" kinda, is Fey Blessing. But you get Consolation in its place.

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Originally Posted by Eloah

It's not so much the annoyance of "paying a price" It's the fact that no other healer loses access to 1/3 of their kit to gain a 20% increase in healing "magic" potency. It would go a long way if the buff applied to the oGCDs, but it doesn't. SCH only has 3 GCD heals and only one of them is a "pure" heal, so the buff applying to spells only is dumb.

Additionally, one could argue that, as a healer, the "trade" off for healing is less DPS. Plus SCH is the only job that doesn't have a heal and attack button. Reworking Dissipation is the perfect opportunity to fix that. But instead of a heal, it could be a shield, because honestly, that's what SCHs want more shielding skills.

Also for the OP

Seraph doesn't lock you out of using any faerie skills, you are just boosting the faeries heals, by adding a shield to the heal. The only skill that is "replaced" kinda, is Fey Blessing. But you get Consolation in its place.

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But that’s the point, the reason you use dissipation (well except for a 6/9 ED burst window) is because you want that 20% for spreadlo and on top of that it gives you 3 aetherflow stacks, so you trade the fairy for either a boost to damage, emergency oGCD healing or a massive boost to what’s already by far the strongest shield in the game, and if you plan your heals correctly you are functionally only losing embrace because when you dissipate you either have your fairy heals on CD or you don’t need them till dissipation is over

That’s what healing should be, a calculated decision that has potential upsides but may put you in danger if used incorrectly, you should be punished if you use dissipation incorrectly, that’s the entire point of the skill, dissipation would be less of a problem for the average player if the DPS loss of GCD healing was actually a common problem people had to contend with but since all 4 healers can pump out close to 3k raw potency of healing per minute without dropping a single damage spell dissipation feels the odd one out

Lilies being a conditional movement tool that was an absolute DPS loss but a gain over simply casting nothing was another good example of this, ShB WHM and SCH weren’t the problem, AST was the problem but rather than giving penalties to AST’s healing they just took them away from everyone else, SGE has a disgusting amount of free potency for a shield healer, it’s almost absurd, pneuma should be a long cast that’s a loss and requires a lot of free time to cast, panhaima should force you to choose the shields or the expiration heal, you shouldn’t get both for free, addersgall skill useage should cost mana, not regen it, so you are actively punished for throwing kerechole out every time you see a cast bar

"But no other tank/healer/DPS has to do X!" Is the bane of this game. Why do you think every single role is being homogenized and dumbed down to gruel when even the slightest bit of job-specific thought required is made out into this giant hurdle by this playerbase's irrational jealousies?

It's irrelevant. SCH isn't a worse healer in any metric for you having to plan whole 30 seconds ahead once in a while. Every healer should in fact have some kind of mini loops within their healing kits - Almost treat them like they were part of a rotation based gameplay system or something.