2 tanks and 4 dps can beat P9?

Tonight I was with a random group doing Pandaemonium 9 (the one with the white soul sucker), and with the boss at 33%, both of our healers were killed and many of our team were at critical HP after the AoE that had just hit. None of our DPS had rezzes. I figured it was a wipe.

But over the next 3 minutes, our remaining members didn't just stay alive, we thrived. No matter how much damage we took, our HP got topped off and was kept topped off — presumably by our PLD, WAR, and DNC. What felt like it should have been a wipe was actually an overwhelming success. And I have mixed feelings about that.

Before this, I already felt like Endwalker content had some manner of "imbalance" between incoming damage and the party's ability to shrug it off; but while I've seen lone surviving tanks defeat dungeon bosses numerous times (with their massive health pools and self-sustain), I had never seen anything quite as drastic as this. I'm so accustomed to DPS needing actual healers to survive in content, but apparently in the latest raid content this isn't the case? It really left me feeling like healers literally haven't been given a role to fill in casual Endwalker content.

I'm curious to hear how other folks feel. Was this a coincidental perfect storm, a rare case where healers were unneeded to an atypical extent? Or is this representative of the status quo?

This is just how EW is

PLD with clemency, WAR with nascent, DNC with curing waltz (and I guess SMN with phoenix’s healing) healers just exist to pretend like they are needed and so the DPS can blame someone else if the raid actually does wipe

All healers are useless in casual content, regen healers are useless in all content it’s a literal joke

Being at "critical HP" means nothing if there's no damage coming up in the next 30-60 seconds. That's an ample time for many non-healer job to heal up through various means, and apparently how plenty of encounters are made.

THIS short 5m vid probably sums up most (about 80%) of what I feel.

Reason 91312312 why tank sustain (War) needs to go down.

Also, here's p12s without healers.
https://youtu.be/etKYa3K70ek

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Originally Posted by GoatOfWar

Reason 91312312 why tank sustain (War) needs to go down.

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Yes. Welcome to the EW healer experience

If you mean the normal mode, yes, I've had the healers die and just kept everyone alive and killed it.

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I'm curious to hear how other folks feel.

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I like the idea that it is possible but not necessarily easy or typical.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

If you mean the normal mode, yes, I've had the healers die and just kept everyone alive and killed it.

I like the idea that it is possible but not necessarily easy or typical.

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It is easy and typical actually, or have you not read OP which said this is a random group ? hmmm ?

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Originally Posted by FenyxRising

It is easy and typical actually, or have you not read OP which said this is a random group ? hmmm ?

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And you think every DF group can pull that off?

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Originally Posted by Saraide

And you think every DF group can pull that off?

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Do you think pressing Clemency is really hard ? hmmm ?

Somedays ago i was doing Dead Ends. My party died and i was the only one alive doing the second boss solo (5% HP) as BLM. I killed it. Ilvl 612.
Unless they buff tank and healers, parties are overrated.







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