Fishing, Its time to bring it in line with the other gathering jobs!!

so a few Improvements i think Fishing needs to be fun and viable again, before i begin, here's why i feel like i can comment on this so all the people who come here jus to start stirring the pot can go do one :)
- I have no job due to medical issues so i can play 10+ hours a day if i wanted.
- I have on many an occasion spent 10+ hours fishing non-stop only to find the rng of a level 50 fish is set to less than 1%.
- i paid for the game and still do so, pay my sub and you can tell me not to cry till then find a door n leave :)
- i have owned and played this game since release on PS3 (bar stopping to go to university and when other major life events have taken place) so anyone who turns up saying i jus hate the game or other crap, jus close all the fingers on your hand bar the middle one look in a mirror and realise you are an arse and you dont know me :)

So Fishing as it is sucks and heres why;
- other than achievements and a few 'collectables' there is no reason to fish
- RNG is a total joke, at level 90 no one should be losing ARR rare fish, i dont see Botanists or Miners going back to grab a missing Log item only to fail it 100+ times in a row cause the rng is set to 1% ( i dont want it at 100% catch rate but it shouldnt be a bloody joke either).
- its not made fun for casual players to partake in
- any casual that wants to complete their logs probably never will.
- levelling is way to fast with ocean fishing and that feels like a bandaid to the greater problem of no one does it cause its to unbalanced and unfun, everyone levels to 90 in a week and boom done, no more fishing till level cap increases then woop one more ocean fishing trip and capped again.

So some fixes;
- bring our RNG in line with the other gathering jobs [NOT THE SAME RNG WE LIKE A LIL CHALLENGE!] (it doesnt need to be 100% like the BOT and MIN but at level 90 i shouldnt be having to spend 3+ days with 10+ hours each day to be denied a level 50 fish id expect that for a level 70+ fish)
- a fish list like the MIN/BOT have when gathering but for fish ( it doesnt let you jus click and catch like MIN/BOT jus provides info you already have, ie date/time/weather/pref bait)
- reasons to fish!! there's little reason to fish as crafting recipes aren't the most viable, and you make little to no gil too unless the fish are needed in GC hand ins or similar, which ngl farming one fish to be able to sell 3x however many copies over a day is incredibly boring and there are easier ways to sell more convenient items for more gil.
- Upgraded Spearfishing Equipment or more of it at least
- a Separate Bait Box so no more full retainers/saddle bags and inventory!
- An in game Fish timer or similar (WHEN FISHING AT A SPOT)

I have more points and a cleaner argument but today is day 17 with at least 3 - 7 hours spent fishing on each day after The Lone Ripper in Halfstone and I'm annoyed and tired, so forgive my rambling rant, but i hope you see and maybe add more ways to make fishing more viable and accessible to all :)

The adversity of big fishing is the entire point of big fishing. It is not meant to be simple and trivial precisely because there are no consequences for it being an unkind challenge - there is nothing gated behind it and no reason to do it save to chase achievements and say that you've done it. And for a certain type of player.. that's exactly what makes it appealing.

Giving the rest of fishing more of a purpose might not be a bad thing, but it doesn't have to come at the cost of one of the quirkiest and most interesting long-term goals in the game.

i agree, as i said i dont want it easy but as it is big fishing is a joke

I'd rather have a better spear gig that you can either craft or meld good materia into it. FSH gets little love in that department. Or heck, let us have a separate inventory for our tackle so all that bait doesn't bait myself into having to clean it out often.

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Originally Posted by Sindele

The adversity of big fishing is the entire point of big fishing. It is not meant to be simple and trivial precisely because there are no consequences for it being an unkind challenge - there is nothing gated behind it and no reason to do it save to chase achievements and say that you've done it. And for a certain type of player.. that's exactly what makes it appealing.

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Exactly.

Fishing isn't some vital progressing system everyone is forced to take part in whether they like it or not. It's completely optional, mostly self contained side content designed specifically for the people who like that type of grind. The fact that you're not the target audience doesn't mean the system is broken.

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Originally Posted by Cincierta

I'd rather have a better spear gig that you can either craft or meld good materia into it. FSH gets little love in that department. Or heck, let us have a separate inventory for our tackle so all that bait doesn't bait myself into having to clean it out often.

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thats a great idea, i hadn't thought about spearfishing equipment, it would certainly add more to the job brining it inline with the other gathering jobs :) ill add it to the list :)
as for the bait idea, thats been a problem for a long time XD so yeah it can be added too, by the end of this i want to have a nice concise list of stuff to suggest to the Devs to make it more fun for EVERYONE :D

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Originally Posted by Brightamethyst

Exactly.

Fishing isn't some vital progressing system everyone is forced to take part in whether they like it or not. It's completely optional, mostly self contained side content designed specifically for the people who like that type of grind. The fact that you're not the target audience doesn't mean the system is broken.

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Please read my OP. You have made a targeted accusation with no evidence bar your own opinion, which isnt the point of this thread and is not the 1st time youve come to a thread of mine and said this.

' - I have no job due to medical issues so i can play 10+ hours a day if i wanted.
- I have on many an occasion spent 10+ hours fishing non-stop only to find the rng of a level 50 fish is set to less than 1%. ' - My OP

i still to this day am grinding fish and enjoying it, i wouldnt do it if i didnt enjoy it, and because i do it and enjoy it i CAN comment on how i think its broken, and back it up with points.
So i think i might be the target audience, but in case you still dont agree let me jus break it down;
I have an unlimited amount of time to grind
I enjoy the grind and the whole aspect of fishing
I do enjoy achievement hunting with collectables
SO by your own logic i AM a part of the target Audience and i DO think its unbalanced and broken.

so rather than shit stir with your opinions and accusations why not make a point and back it up on why you think im wrong?

I have only 2 requests
1 tackle box - separate storage for baits and lures
2 more fish are actually useful - They should be a source for a wider variety of unique crafting materials and more should be cookable and mountable.

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Originally Posted by Autumn-Rain

so a few Improvements i think Fishing needs to be fun and viable again

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actually it should be the opposite, min and btn should get harder stuff to do at the level of FSH

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Originally Posted by Koros

actually it should be the opposite, min and btn should get harder stuff to do at the level of FSH

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Oh an interesting take, i like the idea, i find MIN/BOT to easy due to the fact once you get BiS gear for each theres really a lack of challenge when doing lower end stuff, be it alone or teaching newer players. Maybe we could find a good mid ground for the three gatherers :)