Would there be any harm in bringing limited jobs up to max level?

As usual I have to preface this with “not interested in debating if limited jobs should exist or not”. They’re here, deal with it.

But my question is, what would change if BLU (or any future limited job) was brought up to level 90 (or whatever the current level cap at the time is)? The level cap is not the only thing that determines if a job can do relevant content, they have the ability to lock limited jobs out of current raids, or any duty, just by flagging that duty as “no limited jobs” that they can then turn off down the line the same way they turn on unrestricted party down the line.

So is there any legitimate reason that these jobs can’t be at the max level? The only things I can think of are maps, FATEs and hunts which are all trivial anyway.

The reason I ask and would like them to be at max level is gear. It’s bad enough currently having to hold on to my level 80 caster set for when BLU finally makes the jump, but now I’m also holding on to all my melee and tank gear in anticipation for the potential for beastmaster to be added as a limited job (not knowing what type of gear it will use). If these jobs could just be brought up to level cap then we won’t need multiple sets just for limited jobs. And as it stands I see no reason it couldn’t be this way.

First off: Don't hold onto anything in anticipation of a job that may never show up. Whenever they announce it, you'll have plenty of time to gear up.

BLU at cap would more or less trivialize every other job in most situations.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

BLU at cap would more or less trivialize every other job in most situations.

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And what situations are those? That’s the point. FATEs, Who cares? Hunts, Who cares? Maps? Any job can solo a map. Other than those, there’s no relevant content a BLU could trivialise that they can’t lock them out of regardless of level.

It’s more that BLU can find ways to cheese content.

That is to say, right here and now, they need bodies doing the non-free to play content trials dungeons etc. Especially the later-game content.

If even a small percent find a way to do that content with BLU, that is less people to support new adventurers.

In addition, with certain loopholes, content tends to be much easier to do with competent bluemages (see Aurum Vale for moogle-tome grinding). Which again, once that becomes widely known certain groups wanting clears are encouraged to employ those party makeups, negating work done by devs to balance it for standard play. And since being good at BLU requires some build work/thinking/effort gathering skills you open a door wide open for toxicity (omgwtf you don’t have Final Sting!?)

Secondly, it’s just additional work for the devs to do- skills and such need to be done, and probably the carnival thing would need new stages or it’d feel half-arsed. If you’re just talking straight levels this can be hand waved, but without a doubt expect 4 new threads complaining about it day 1.

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Originally Posted by Cabalabob

Maps? Any job can solo a map.

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I... don't think some jobs can do the maps solo. It's level synced and only BLU can do "easily" with Basic Instinct...

Even on outside of the portal, you can just use Ram and Ultravibration and the mobs died immediately :)

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Originally Posted by Cabalabob

And what situations are those? That’s the point. FATEs, Who cares? Hunts, Who cares? Maps? Any job can solo a map. Other than those, there’s no relevant content a BLU could trivialise that they can’t lock them out of regardless of level.

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What's the point of even having them at cap if they're going to be locked out of even more content? Why don't you go through all the stuff you left out? Dungeons, Trials, EX, Aliiance Raids, Normal Raids, Savage Raids.

I'll actually cover that last one. No one would even do a full group as the current tier. Who would ever go to a raid where 7 other people are rolling on the same piece, if it even drops?

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Originally Posted by kaynide

It’s more that BLU can find ways to cheese content.

That is to say, right here and now, they need bodies doing the non-free to play content trials dungeons etc. Especially the later-game content.

If even a small percent find a way to do that content with BLU, that is less people to support new adventurers.

In addition, with certain loopholes, content tends to be much easier to do with competent bluemages (see Aurum Vale for moogle-tome grinding). Which again, once that becomes widely known certain groups wanting clears are encouraged to employ those party makeups, negating work done by devs to balance it for standard play. And since being good at BLU requires some build work/thinking/effort gathering skills you open a door wide open for toxicity (omgwtf you don’t have Final Sting!?)

Secondly, it’s just additional work for the devs to do- skills and such need to be done, and probably the carnival thing would need new stages or it’d feel half-arsed. If you’re just talking straight levels this can be hand waved, but without a doubt expect 4 new threads complaining about it day 1.

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Not sure I understand what you’re getting at. People can already do and cheese old content as BLU, why would any of that apply to BLU at 90 but not BLU at 80?

For adding more spells and carnivale, as you said they could purely raise the level cap and not bother with spells and carnivale til later when they’re ready. Or they could do spells and carnivale for 80 and 90 in one sitting to get it over with now and then in the long term BLU will be in exactly the same spot it’s in now but when they update it in future they’ll be updating it to current level cap instead of the level cap below.

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Originally Posted by Knot_D

I... don't think some jobs can do the maps solo. It's level synced and only BLU can do "easily" with Basic Instinct...

Even on outside of the portal, you can just use Ram and Ultravibration and the mobs died immediately :)

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That’s fair, skills like ultravibration that only effect enemies at or below the level of the BLU change the dynamic between how a BLU does current maps now and how they would do them if they were at max level cap. I still hold that open world maps are easy enough that you wouldn’t need to cheese it as a BLU and BLUs can’t enter portals which is where the important rewards are. But you do bring up a good point.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

What's the point of even having them at cap if they're going to be locked out of even more content? Why don't you go through all the stuff you left out? Dungeons, Trials, EX, Aliiance Raids, Normal Raids, Savage Raids.

I'll actually cover that last one. No one would even do a full group as the current tier. Who would ever go to a raid where 7 other people are rolling on the same piece, if it even drops?

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The reason is simple, not having to hold 2 sets of gear for jobs, it’s bad enough having to hold 2 casting sets (3 right now as we wait for it to raise to 80 so I’m holding 70 gear for BLU, 80 gear for when it raises and 90 gear for current jobs) and that will increase down the line as more limited jobs are added for different roles. If they were all at level cap that is no longer an issue and limited jobs can be locked out of current dungeons, trials and raids regardless of level.

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Originally Posted by Cabalabob

The reason is simple, not having to hold 2 sets of gear for jobs, it’s bad enough having to hold 2 casting sets (3 right now as we wait for it to raise to 80 so I’m holding 70 gear for BLU, 80 gear for when it raises and 90 gear for current jobs) and that will increase down the line as more limited jobs are added for different roles. If they were all at level cap that is no longer an issue and limited jobs can be locked out of current dungeons, trials and raids regardless of level.

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All that for a few armoury slots. I'm maxed out and every tab in my armoury is half full with current gear. Stop expecting them to add more limited jobs.

Maybe next time don't be so misleading with your intro. This whole thing is pointless and thoughtless. If they're going to be locked out of even doing dungeon content, it's not worth the extra work to catch them up. They're easier to manage when they're simply kept an expansion behind.

Another thing you're not considering is the different meld priorities BLU has, so if you were to do anything besides, you'd need more gear anyway. It's easier to just get the final BiS of the previous expansion.

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Originally Posted by Cabalabob

Not sure I understand what you’re getting at. People can already do and cheese old content as BLU, why would any of that apply to BLU at 90 but not BLU at 80?

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I’ll bold it for you:

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Originally Posted by kaynide

It’s more that BLU can find ways to cheese content.

That is to say, right here and now, they need bodies doing the non-free to play content trials dungeons etc. Especially the later-game content.

If even a small percent find a way to do that content with BLU, that is less people to support new adventurers.

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It that is unclear, later game includes anything within the current expansion pack; that is to say 80+.

There be non. The devs are just don't want to do it. It a strange content