In light of the recent discussions about 3rd party tools I have a bold suggestion

Try staying in your own lanes. I've seen too many disingenuous or outright misinformed takes from people who have no idea how raiding or parsing works. If you have no knowledge on the subject then try not speaking on it. I think we would all be happier that way, personally, in my opinion. This is me coming at you as a (former) raider who doesn’t use ACT. Just shut up. Please.

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Originally Posted by anhaato

Try staying in your own lanes. I've seen too many disingenuous or outright misinformed takes from people who have no idea how raiding or parsing works. If you have no knowledge on the subject then try not speaking on it. I think we would all be happier that way, personally, in my opinion. This is me coming at you as a (former) raider who doesn’t parse. Just shut up. Please.

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But doesn't ACT do your rotation for you and light up the safe zones?

just so toxic.

Personally, I've never parsed. However, as a raid member of someone else that did, the information was invaluable to our group. We could see where improvement was needed. It was rarely discussed player-to-player. "Hey Soandso, you need to get better" - that just didn't happen. Each individual would look at it and see where they were lacking. As a group, we could see that maybe we weren't lining up our group buffs ideally.

My problem with SE's take on parsing is that they design these raids with hard DPS checks and then forbid us to check our DPS. Why not just make it all about the mechanics and provide an "ideal" clear time. If you beat that time, you get 2 coffers. If you don't beat that time and still clear, you get 1 coffer. Change the rewards however. Maybe you get 2 coffers but no item upgrades (left-side, right-side, weapon).

Another option: How about a DPS meter visible only to the player. Just a visual bar, not a number. If your DPS is low to clear the encounter by enrage, the bar is low. If your DPS is on pace, it goes middle. If your DPS is above pace, it goes high. Make it job-specific. Maybe set the expectation to be about 15% damage for DPS, 12% for tanks and 8% for healers (numbers subject to change). If you aren't on pace to do 15% of the total enemy's HP as a DPS, then your bar is low.

All I know is that in wake of this recent drama I decided to resub to FFXI and had a fun night yesterday grinding out levels for my non-maxed jobs and hunting down AF pieces in the Dynamis zones. A silent community is better than one that constantly is at each other's throats over issues that ultimately do not even affect them.

No thanks,

It will still reinforce meta on the wrong hands & ultimately become a norm; its what happened to WoW & not many were happy about it,

Parse shouldn’t be a thing at all

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Originally Posted by Vencio

No thanks,

It will still reinforce meta on the wrong hands & ultimately become a norm; its what happened to WoW & not many were happy about it,

Parse shouldn’t be a thing at all

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Just another irrelevant opinion from someone who conveniently forgets that:

A) The rules on harassment will still exist afterwards
B) They've already been in use for several years and are already part of the culture of the game.

But please, tell me more about how you're so insecure from that time someone criticized you in WoW so you freeze in fear at the possibility of it happening here, despite them being vastly different games with vastly different moderation and management.

Why the hostility?

There was a sole reason why SE brought a swift action into it,

It went against ToS,

Those who used it & ultimately were given the punishment are rather reluctant & still rewrite it how’s it been helpful except by members of their community with minds-alike,

What more needs to be said really…?

I am glad it happened

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Originally Posted by Mosha

But doesn't ACT do your rotation for you and light up the safe zones?

just so toxic.

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ACT actually just rescues you to the safe zones before it even happens, no need for the light ups!

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Originally Posted by Vencio

Why the hostility?

There was a sole reason why SE brought a swift action into it,

It went against ToS,

Those who used it & ultimately were given the punishment are rather reluctant & still rewrite it how’s it been helpful except by members of their community with minds-alike,

What more needs to be said really…?

I am glad it happened

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"Swift action"? lol there was no swift action. Let's not forget that one time Yoshi saw someone with ACT clear an ultimate iirc. Third party-use has been "softly" allowed for years and there'll still be usage of it. No one wins here because this also affects people who don't even touch raiding. I guess if you think, for whatever reason, it will cut down toxicity in your weird reality it's a win for you.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

All I know is that in wake of this recent drama I decided to resub to FFXI and had a fun night yesterday grinding out levels for my non-maxed jobs and hunting down AF pieces in the Dynamis zones. A silent community is better than one that constantly is at each other's throats over issues that ultimately do not even affect them.

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I've been on GW2. Hidden gem community, with nice folks and people always doing things. This place is on fire atm and it's annoying with Mods doing F all to calm the waters.

Yoshi dude said literally the same thing as always and
folks act like this is new lmao. I think some need to step away from here for a second.

It isn’t about winning,

Rules weren’t followed, and that’s what happened & it upset most of you as though seeking retribution on it,

Affect those that didn’t use it? Highly doubt it & certainly not affecting me,

What toxicity are you even on about…? The issue with most of you people it’s that the forums being over flooded by this “Addons/third party/mod/“ posts ongoing in display to your frustration; akin to SAM’s posts changes.

If its that bad that someone disagrees & pricks your bubble then I’d say its rather amusing