Can we point out to how bad it is that SE bends the knee to chan brigades?

Topic. The precedence it sets is a very bad one. It shows how bad SE deals with reports and customer relations in general.

"Bends the knee?" This isn't Game of Thrones.

No, it wouldn't set a precedent for anything other than enforcing their TOS. If they action someone, it will be for receiving reports that a rule was broken, investigating and seeing the rule was broken, and following a set procedure to deal with it (which may include suspending, banning, or giving a warning. However, they may not even do that, "brigade" or no based on the severity of the incident, letting it go and then waiting to see if it happens again).

Some people on the official forums and Reddit would get mad about anything but the last, but just like you think "It shows how bad SE deals with reports and customer relations," people on the official forums and Reddit stomping their feet about something and then actually doing something about it would be such a small fraction of players that they're basically irrelevant. Every developer knows that a certain number of players will do the virtual equivalent of the Vauthry fist pound and make empty threats, which is the customer equivalent of being "bad relations," and will summarily ignore them. It's no different than the snide customer at a supermarket or the citizens who go to government meetings and complain about anything and everything that the reasonable, average citizen doesn't care about.

That said, they may reconsider for other reasons, but given the ludicrous and frankly hilariously overblown response when they updated TOS, it seems at least a little unlikely because they were probably expecting this reaction.

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Originally Posted by Folsom

No, it wouldn't set a precedent for anything other than enforcing their TOS

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Then explain why they don't go after all the various obvious fate, eureka, crafting, housing etc etc bots that have been reported over the years?

Spoiler: It's likely because they weren't reported in the sort of numbers that 5ch are throwing.

It raises two issues here:

A) And this is a big one. A 'crime' should be handled accordingly to it's severity. Not by how many people are shouting and screaming for 'justice'.

B)The punishment seems pretty excessive, not only to the streamer themselves, but the rest of their DSR team that's now basically had their progression reset or put on pause for 10 days and even the community that's following their progress.

Square Enix aren't bending the knee to anyone as it was always against the terms of service. The problem is that the game has no client-side protections to detect or prevent the use of third party tools. The only way in which Square Enix will know that you're using these tools is by streaming it or talking about it and thus that makes you an easy target to get reported.

All this situation encourages is for people to not stream or try to hide their third party tool usage. Certain more adult areas of the modding community already do this in order to stay out of Square Enix's radar but that fundamentally doesn't solve the problem. This is a multi-platform game and by not taking ownership of the modding situation, Square Enix are actually failing the entire player base.

This hole fiasco (and reactions) reminds me of the typical gacha gaming community you can find in Reddit. XD

As bad as the brigading is, the one that left the window open was Yoshi-P himself. Now the situation forces them to take action or risk being perceived as incompetent/liars.

Maybe the flagging system prioritizes quantity, and things will be reversed after review.
Or maybe they'll be pushed into scorched earth against mods.
Or, and maybe I'm overly optimistic, we'll return to status quo after this blows over.

Someone points at someone else using 3rd party tools and SE bans them because they are using 3rd party tools. I see no issue with that.

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

Someone points at someone else using 3rd party tools and SE bans them because they are using 3rd party tools. I see no issue with that.

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Problem with that that so many use third party stuff.
Raiders use parsers.
Home decorators use mods to float furniture or w/e
RPers use chat bubble mods etc.

This mass reporting is equivalent to snitching on somebody for smoking pot.

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Originally Posted by Somnolence

This mass reporting is equivalent to snitching on somebody for smoking pot.

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this is a jp game, smoking pot will land you in jail

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Originally Posted by Somnolence

Problem with that that so many use third party stuff.
Raiders use parsers.
Home decorators use mods to float furniture or w/e
RPers use chat bubble mods etc.

This mass reporting is equivalent to snitching on somebody for smoking pot.

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We log in, we agree to the ToS for better or worse.

With that being said, SE needs to really step up their game in terms of UI design. One one hand they call themselves "a titan" yet operate like a smol indie company. That's the part that annoys me.