grammar check

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Date & Time: 5-6-22
Frequency: all the time
World name: Excalibur
Character name: Tasty Doorstop
NPC name: Venat
Party or solo: Solo
Area and coordinates: x9.6 y 18
Steps:
1. Story +
2. Quest line "A Past, Not Yet Come To Pass"
3. Talked to Venat and the following sentence text is out of order
it reads as "See you the woman standing in from of the yonder building? Her name is Imsene."
when is should read as "You see the woman......"

"See" and "you" need to be swapped.

See attached pic...

This isn't a bug. It's simply VSO (Verb -> Object -> Subject) instead of the normal SVO (Subject -> Verb -> Object) that we speak daily. This isn't wrong, per se, it's simply a stylistic choice. Lots and lots of old or antiquated speaking styles are used throughout this game. One of the most famous being Urianger and his "must needs," as in, "We must needs reconstruct Titan from thine memories," which also is not a bug.

There are others that I am sure will be able to talk more in-depth about when, if ever, this kind of speech was prominently used by English speakers in our real world. The only guess I would venture is medieval times, but I only get that from movies, not any actual historical knowledge. I can say with confidence that SVO, VSO and OSV are all currently in use in different languages around our globe. Some common examples would be English for SVO, Arabic for VSO and forms of Chinese for OSV.

But, my point is, it's a valid form of fantasy dialogue, not a bug. Famously, Yoda speaks similarly, but he generally does OSV ("Patience you must have, young Padawan,"), and we wouldn't call his speech patterns a bug or mistake. It's just the way the creators wrote the dialogue.

It's not just a stylistic order choice; moving the verb to the front turns it into a question.

In modern English, to turn the statement "you see the woman" into a question, we have to introduce a second verb: we ask "do you see the woman?"

The other format doesn't need this extra verb, and instead becomes a question by the reordering of the existing words.

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Originally Posted by Breakbeat

One of the most famous being Urianger and his "must needs," as in, "We must needs reconstruct Titan from thine memories," which also is not a bug.

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All the characters use "must needs", not just Urianger.

"Thine memories" would be wrong, though. In that usage, you pick between thy/thine like we still do between a/an depending on whether the following word starts with a consonant or vowel.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

It's not just a stylistic order choice; moving the verb to the front turns it into a question.

In modern English, to turn the statement "you see the woman" into a question, we have to introduce a second verb: we ask "do you see the woman?"

The other format doesn't need this extra verb, and instead becomes a question by the reordering of the existing words.

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I have to disagree, even though you are technically correct. You must consider punctuation. It's the punctuation that determines whether the sentence being debated is a statement or a question.

"You see the woman?" would be understood in common conversation to be a question, and to ask it in that manner verbatim would indeed be a stylistic (slang) choice. 'Do' isn't necessary, though it might be grammatically correct, and the 'see' and 'you' don't need to be transposed in order for the sentence to be a question.

OP is proposing the existence of a grammatical error, but there is none present. Per my earlier example, certainly we don't consider the way Yoda speaks to be a mistake or incorrect. It's a subjective stylistic writing choice; it's impossible for it to be incorrect. Evaluating language "spoken" by a video game character is the same. If a word were misspelled, or the meaning of the sentence changed, then I could see the issue. But, neither of those problems are present here.

At the end of the day, all of the following mean the same thing, assuming the context of one person speaking to another is the same for each:

A. "Do you see the woman?"
B. "See you the woman?"
C. "You see the woman?"
D. "See the woman?"

We've been given a question mark at the end of the sentence, ergo the sentence is a question. Therefore, which you choose as a writer is a stylistic choice. Our FFXIV writer chose B. The placement of 'see' and 'you' is irrelevant in the context of OP's question. Reversing the order of the verb and subject may indeed, technically, change a statement into a question... but that's not the debate here. The debate is whether or not the order of 'you' and 'see', as presented in the game, is an error or bug.

It is not, it's just a stylistic choice.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

All the characters use "must needs", not just Urianger.

"Thine memories" would be wrong, though. In that usage, you pick between thy/thine like we still do between a/an depending on whether the following word starts with a consonant or vowel.

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Yes, absolutely! I said "one of the most famous," specifically because other characters say it.

As for 'thine,' it may indeed be incorrect, but that's completely beside the point. It was just a random quote to illustrate usage of 'have needs' that, coincidentally, contained a different and unrelated error in the usage of thy/thine. My bad. /shrug

This is antiquated English, not a grammar bug. Certiantly a stylistic choice, given that we are very far in the past at that point in the story.