Ninja nerfed?

Looking at the changes are combos do an extra 20 potency and bhavacakra does 50 less at 90 every 2 combos gives one bhavacakra which is a 10 potency loss. We lose 10 seconds of old trick attack buff.

Has a 10 second loss + a round of burst rotations from the party.

We are given a 5% damage increase over the old trick attack. The 5% increase doesn't even match the rdps increase from having a samurai using a trick attack window. Let alone 6 other party members contributing.

Can you please change/fire the ninja job designer? Why should our job suck because the person responsible cant do his job...

The general consensus on the balance is that we are similar to old nin, maybe even slightly buffed. Numbers are still being worked out though, but it looks like we are worse/better monk for the time being

That said, fire the job designer lmao
Dude had to change the job three times, and it'll probably get changed again soon. Do it all at once during the initial ew release 4head, the expansion was delayed for a reason. Get him transferred to marketing or human resources

Based on early numbers, Ninja will be doing roughly the same amount of damage as it always has. The only change is that more of it's damage will be personal damage, and less of it's damage will be party damage.


One thing people are anticipating is that Ninja will now become the preferred Dance Partner, so Ninja's place in the meta is quite stable.



The nature of the changes, however, I am not happy with.

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Originally Posted by aloneatsea

Based on early numbers, Ninja will be doing roughly the same amount of damage as it always has. The only change is that more of it's damage will be personal damage, and less of it's damage will be party damage.


One thing people are anticipating is that Ninja will now become the preferred Dance Partner, so Ninja's place in the meta is quite stable.

The nature of the changes, however, I am not happy with.

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Why do you think these changes were made? I was a Monk, and my job was gutted between 5.4 and 6.0.. I can't help but look around at these NIN and SAM changes and wonder if these jobs are next.

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Originally Posted by Morzy

Why do you think these changes were made? I was a Monk, and my job was gutted between 5.4 and 6.0.. I can't help but look around at these NIN and SAM changes and wonder if these jobs are next.

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I haven't had a chance to watch the Live Letter personally, but from seeing translations and snippets, the takeaway was "to improve the experience for Ninja players, and put everything on a two minute cycle".

He is also aware these changes were not requested by NIN players; these are changes he and the job designers talked over personally. He reaffirmed once again that he would like us to try the changes, and if we don't like them, to use the official forums to express which parts of Ninja we think are essential or core or good.

I will be doing just that after trying out NIN in the new extreme.

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Why do you think these changes were made? I was a Monk, and my job was gutted between 5.4 and 6.0.. I can't help but look around at these NIN and SAM changes and wonder if these jobs are next.

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I regret spending much of shb laughing at monk now. First they came for the monks, now they come for the nins. I should have stood up for the monks, and now we will suffer

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Originally Posted by Manofpassion

I regret spending much of shb laughing at monk now. First they came for the monks, now they come for the nins. I should have stood up for the monks, and now we will suffer

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First they came for the healers...

I'm def gonna try to lend my voice to the drgs and astro now lmao, they're gonna get their reckoning in 6.2

It sucks this happened to nins, but the drgs and astros deserve to be happy

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I regret spending much of shb laughing at monk now. First they came for the monks, now they come for the nins. I should have stood up for the monks, and now we will suffer

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Funny thing there.... ninja and monk are now basically the same job, except ninja gets more to do to keep it interesting.

riddle of fire = trick attack
mug = brotherhood
ninjutsu = masterful blitz

only real thing that's different is ninja gets different GCD attacks and more predictible OGC while monk has.... forbidden chakra? mantra?

Oh yeah, we know lmao. In the other ninja threads someone coined the term brothermug and riddle of trick, which I am sad to say these changes prove.

Some ninja players were really happy at being brought up and being made more similar to monk though, which was interesting. They never did answer why they didn't just play monk instead of advocating for these changes.

Whether new nin will be a better or worse version of monk we have yet to know. If ninja just outright does less dps than monk, monk will have higher dps and mantra, which will make us kind of obsolete compared to old nin. I think its likely new nin will be worse than monk given its the ninja devs. But if nins do more dps than monks, then monks just get a raw deal. Mantra is nice, but it's not needed for most if not all fights, so superior dps will generally speaking be more desired. Either way, one of these two jobs is gonna lose out.

When I first saw the monk rework, i found it strange monk was given what is basically shitty mudras for their new nadi system. I was expecting monk to steal more things from ninja, not the other way around lmao. I hate monk, but I guess the devs insist more people must play it.