how they are made.

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12-08-2021, 12:18 PM
tuckerpb2

how they are made.

so making so many on one disk and making so many disks at one time. how can there be a shortage?https://youtu.be/8A6vfywGeF4
12-08-2021, 12:45 PM
ExKage

Issues in the silicon wafer. Issues in the epitaxial layer. Microscopic defects that you can't detect in a SEM or cross-section and SEM. Issues that can't be detected by a 4 point probe or a CV plotter and needs an SRP done. Wafer Fabs are filled with techs/engineers who have to probe wafers. Put the wafers on the loaders. Put them in the Spin Rinse Dryer. They have to align the masks. They have to load the furnaces. The furnaces better be good or else they may be issues with a wafer in the lot. The techs may be part of The Great Resignation, moving elsewhere as a labor shortage. The equipment engineers leaving. The equipment engineers being trained being left with incomplete training. Multiple things. Your diffusion tube goes down. The materials like gases weren't delivered on time. The prices of metals that are deposited or sintered going up. So many things that isn't just a machine can make so many die on a wafer.

Edit: This doesn't even go into what goes into reliability testing for semiconductors or the assembly processes. Packaging? What about packaging issues. What if the one maker of the clips you use to seal your semiconductor into a ceramic or other DIP package is leaving the business or doesn't make the clip you use anymore? Now if you have to find a new source for that, quickly. You can't just leave parts in a drybox indefinitely. Most semiconductors have a seal by date. Now if you buy new clips you run the issue of improper seals. Incompletes or pinholes. Testing? 10 day+ burn-ins, temperature tests, temp cycling etc. You don't just test a semiconductor to a set of parameters and say walah done.
12-08-2021, 12:54 PM
Viirin

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Originally Posted by tuckerpb2

so making so many on one disk and making so many disks at one time. how can there be a shortage?https://youtu.be/8A6vfywGeF4

You're right. SE is just making it up because they get a kick out of antagonizing you. They get on these forums and laugh when you make these posts. You should stop giving them what they want.
12-08-2021, 12:57 PM
Kewitt

Stop replacing your phone every 2 years and there would be more space for Server silicon on the wafer.
12-08-2021, 01:04 PM
EZGIL

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Originally Posted by ExKage

Issues in the silicon wafer. Issues in the epitaxial layer. Microscopic defects that you can't detect in a SEM or cross-section and SEM. Issues that can't be detected by a 4 point probe or a CV plotter and needs an SRP done. Wafer Fabs are filled with techs/engineers who have to probe wafers. Put the wafers on the loaders. Put them in the Spin Rinse Dryer. They have to align the masks. They have to load the furnaces. The furnaces better be good or else they may be issues with a wafer in the lot. The techs may be part of The Great Resignation, moving elsewhere as a labor shortage. The equipment engineers leaving. The equipment engineers being trained being left with incomplete training. Multiple things. Your diffusion tube goes down. The materials like gases weren't delivered on time. The prices of metals that are deposited or sintered going up. So many things that isn't just a machine can make so many die on a wafer.

Edit: This doesn't even go into what goes into reliability testing for semiconductors or the assembly processes. Packaging? What about packaging issues. What if the one maker of the clips you use to seal your semiconductor into a ceramic or other DIP package is leaving the business or doesn't make the clip you use anymore? Now if you have to find a new source for that, quickly. You can't just leave parts in a drybox indefinitely. Most semiconductors have a seal by date. Now if you buy new clips you run the issue of improper seals. Incompletes or pinholes. Testing? 10 day+ burn-ins, temperature tests, temp cycling etc. You don't just test a semiconductor to a set of parameters and say walah done.

This post just made me realize I have no idea whats going on.
12-08-2021, 01:14 PM
Fyrebrand

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Originally Posted by Viirin

You're right. SE is just making it up because they get a kick out of antagonizing you. They get on these forums and laugh when you make these posts. You should stop giving them what they want.

My uncle works at Square Enix and he told me Yoshi-P has like a hundred new servers and he's using them to farm Bitcoin instead of letting us play. The queue isn't even real, there's plenty of spots for players to log in but they are blocking us from playing the new expansion just to troll us. Same with the 2002 "error," it's scripted on purpose to kick people out as a prank. The FFXIV team gets paid a bonus for every angry thread posted to the forums!

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Originally Posted by EZGIL

This post just made me realize I have no idea whats going on.

Then you are already way ahead of 90% of the people whining and acting like they are experts who know how to run an MMO better than the professionals.
12-08-2021, 01:17 PM
Viirin

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Originally Posted by Fyrebrand

My uncle works at Square Enix and he told me Yoshi-P has like a hundred new servers and he's using them to farm Bitcoin instead of letting us play. The queue isn't even real, there's plenty of spots for players to log in but they are blocking us from playing the new expansion just to troll us. Same with the 2002 "error," it's scripted on purpose to kick people out as a prank. The FFXIV team gets paid a bonus for every angry thread posted to the forums!

Oh, I saw a video of that on YouTube before SE forced YouTube to take it down. Is your uncle the one who posted that? It was a pretty impressive-looking crypto farm. Yoshi-P was just laughing rolling around on piles of money the whole time.
12-08-2021, 01:19 PM
Akiudo

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Originally Posted by EZGIL

This post just made me realize I have no idea whats going on.

and that is perfectly fine and reasonable. sadly a lot of people fail to have this realization which than gives us the current forums full of people that know better than full time developers working on this game.
12-08-2021, 01:22 PM
lisaa

i think these are something different? these wafers are round, while CPUs are rectangular, not round, it's not the same thing
12-08-2021, 10:33 PM
reiichi

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Originally Posted by lisaa

i think these are something different? these wafers are round, while CPUs are rectangular, not round, it's not the same thing

You do know that CPU wafers start round too, right?