genuinely thinking about quitting the game

its no secret to most house hunters that there is a really, really big housing bot problem on crystal. these bots sweep the wards 24/7 and are already pre-programmed to go to any M or L they see autodemo.
well, today might be the final straw in even playing this game for me. this is my third time spotting an autodemo on my sweeps, however, the same bots that i always see are also there. i lose to the bots due to "relo error" and am left watching them instantly teleport away and leave their fc to go and join another burner fc. my third time losing to bots and despite my group of friends reporting them almost every single day nothing has been done to actually stop them.
the news in the live letter didnt make me feel any more hopeful either, instead of those precious few seconds where you're fighting them for the autodemo its now going to be 10-14 hours of that because relocations will no longer be instant. i dont think this will stop the bots, i think it punishes the players for the GMs incompetence to be able to accurately respond to reports and ban the characters that are so obviously bots.
theres no point anymore, after december 3rd it will be nearly impossible to get a plot anymore. square enix really needs to reconsider their new relocation rules and maybe actually get rid of the bots instead of punishing the players for this.
as a player who has swept nearly every day looking for a medium/large i dont think this new system will be fair at all or stop bots. bots dont care, bots arent human, they are running a script, they can sit for 10-14 hours with no harm. we are humans, why should we have to sit for 10-14 hours clicking a placard for relocation just to lose in the same way we have before?
the solution to the resellers and the bot problem is to have GMs actually listen to player reports, for the "STF" to actually care about our reports and the fact that this has happened for months and nothing has been done about it.
im thinking about quitting the game because i want to go to a game that actually cares and listens to its players when it comes to reports, very disappointing news.

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Originally Posted by nvrse

i dont think this will stop the bots, i think it punishes the players for the GMs incompetence to be able to accurately respond to reports and ban the characters that are so obviously bots.

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GMs are forbidden from acting on bots. The Special Task Force (STF), which is a team of a handful of people at the home base in Japan, handles botting and cheating exclusively. A GM can sit there and watch the same obvious botting patterns as you, completely agree with you that they're bots and has the exact same power to do anything about it that you do. You could try using the web form to report them to the STF: https://support.na.square-enix.com/c...382&la=1&fty=2 (bottom of the page, make sure to select the appropriate category from the drop down box)

It will likely be just as effective as the in-game reports but there's not much else that can be done unless the top brass at SE make structural changes to the report flow and who is handling them.

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Originally Posted by Dustytome

GMs are forbidden from acting on bots. The Special Task Force (STF), which is a team of a handful of people at the home base in Japan, handles botting and cheating exclusively. A GM can sit there and watch the same obvious botting patterns as you, completely agree with you that they're bots and has the exact same power to do anything about it that you do. You could try using the web form to report them to the STF: https://support.na.square-enix.com/c...382&la=1&fty=2 (bottom of the page, make sure to select the appropriate category from the drop down box)

It will likely be just as effective as the in-game reports but there's not much else that can be done unless the top brass at SE make structural changes to the report flow and who is handling them.

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unfortunately, me and my friends have reported them multiple times to the STF, at least once a day, and nothing seems to have changed regarding their accounts

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Originally Posted by nvrse

unfortunately, me and my friends have reported them multiple times to the STF, at least once a day, and nothing seems to have changed regarding their accounts

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I'm on the same page, its sad when you can list off the names of the bots on crystal right off the top of your head, know exactly what theyre doing, have seen them buy plots and leave the FC multiple times, report it to both support desk options every day you see it, but nothing is being done and they keep swiping up more plots to put on their rmt sites and discords.

I've really lost any faith with the GM and STF teams both. I've never gotten anything back but copy pasted responses saying they'll look into it.

I have an entire spreadsheet of the most notorious TPP using resellers on Crystal DC. Reports have been put in hundreds of times over the last two years and not a thing has been done about it. It's sad, but it is what it is.

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Originally Posted by Nepentha

I have an entire spreadsheet of the most notorious TPP using resellers on Crystal DC. Reports have been put in hundreds of times over the last two years and not a thing has been done about it. It's sad, but it is what it is.

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Exactly this. You get the "if you included names..."
And "we take every measure" responses too? Feels like nobody's reading any of the reports and it honestly feels really bad.

The new rules do put a considerable dent into reselling. Relocation resales will no longer be possible since relocation won't bypass the purchase timer. Reselling will only be able to happen through transfer of FC ownership, and that will be a time consuming process blocking the reseller from getting another property while waiting for the buyer to lose their "new member" status.

It's still not going to solve your problem since it really comes down to lack of supply. There are not enough houses for every player who wants one, and even fewer of the more desirable medium and large houses.

If housing is the only reason you want to play the game, than I can understand why you'd quit. But there's far more to the game than just housing so it's a poor reason to be quitting if it means missing out on the other parts you enjoy.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

The new rules do put a considerable dent into reselling. Relocation resales will no longer be possible since relocation won't bypass the purchase timer. Reselling will only be able to happen through transfer of FC ownership, and that will be a time consuming process blocking the reseller from getting another property while waiting for the buyer to lose their "new member" status.

It's still not going to solve your problem since it really comes down to lack of supply. There are not enough houses for every player who wants one, and even fewer of the more desirable medium and large houses.

If housing is the only reason you want to play the game, than I can understand why you'd quit. But there's far more to the game than just housing so it's a poor reason to be quitting if it means missing out on the other parts you enjoy.

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The issue isn't the amount of houses, thats a different, related, issue. The issue is the rare times a house does become available, it get snatched up by bots to be resold at a markup on discord and rmt sites and nobody responds to the reports or takes any action.

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Originally Posted by Remykov

The issue isn't the amount of houses, thats a different, related, issue. The issue is the rare times a house does become available, it get snatched up by bots to be resold at a markup on discord and rmt sites and nobody responds to the reports or takes any action.

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Except, if everyone in the game could have a medium or large house if they wanted, there would be no issue with bots snatching up houses to resell. If everyone could already have one, there is no resell market. So, really housing availability is 100% the problem.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

The new rules do put a considerable dent into reselling. Relocation resales will no longer be possible since relocation won't bypass the purchase timer. Reselling will only be able to happen through transfer of FC ownership, and that will be a time consuming process blocking the reseller from getting another property while waiting for the buyer to lose their "new member" status.

It's still not going to solve your problem since it really comes down to lack of supply. There are not enough houses for every player who wants one, and even fewer of the more desirable medium and large houses.

If housing is the only reason you want to play the game, than I can understand why you'd quit. But there's far more to the game than just housing so it's a poor reason to be quitting if it means missing out on the other parts you enjoy.

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its not housing itself that makes me want to quit, its my hopelessness in the gms that does.