First of all, let me say that I don't mean exactly like TESO does it, but some Features/Design Decisions should be taken into count from The Elder Scrolls Online.
By default, I think that the "Limitbreaker" system in combat can be a nice thing. However, it feels very boring, unless you cast a lvl 3 LB (and sometimes miss the timing like me, lol).
In TESO each class/weapon/role skill tree has unique Ultimates. I am not saying that FF14 needs that too for each class in case function, but perhaps appearance. At the moment I don't have many classes unlocked, but it seems that each role has a shared animation for it. For example Bards/Machinists/co. have a straight-line AoE. Casters like RMG have round AoE and Melee classes have (I think) single target LB. My problem there is, that for all the classes of the same category they look the same in animation.
Second thing I would like to be considered is either removing the shared LB-Energy-Pool and for each player an individual one OR keep the shared LB-Energy-Pool for the team, but add another command for LB an individual LB that has its own LB-Energy-Pool and is capped to 1 charge maximum.
So, to repeat it again:
- Make the Limitbreakers appear more unique for each class/role
- Either add individual ressources for LB or remove the team pool in exchange for an individual one
- Embrace the feature as a "Time to shine"-thing for players
Personally this is just my opinion and should just be considered but not taken as "must be". I think some changes to the Limit Breakers could make the Feature pretty interesting and classes more unique.
When I look at TESO or even games like Destiny, I see classes/roles having more character by offering an own, unique ultimate.
Enjoy the game, feel free to comment. Have a nice day and stay safe :)
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10-30-2021, 06:10 AMAthael_ElluvienI think the "Limitbreaker" system should be reworked to be more like TESOs
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10-30-2021, 08:07 AMShurrikhanThey already look quite distinct from one another.Quote:
Originally Posted by Athael_Elluvien
That would relegate them to a non-integral, incohesive analog to the likes of Kenki, Battery, Blood, etc., though, while causing them to be nerfed to some half to eighth of their current value with enemy HP adjusted for whatever difference is thereby afforded. They'd be painfully unimpactful, and likely an eyesore.Quote:
- Either add individual ressources for LB or remove the team pool in exchange for an individual one
Like how? And how would this be sequenced across a party to make use of those "times to shine", if such is to be different from just having played one's job well without the inclusion of (individual) Limit Breaks?Quote:
- Embrace the feature as a "Time to shine"-thing for players
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10-31-2021, 04:50 AMAthael_ElluvienI haven't touched any endgame yet, but as far as I am aware from my experiences in Raids, Dungeons, etc. I see barely anyone use them there. Also, the damage is, for an ability that has to be charged up, sometimes even over the duration of an entire dungeon, not impactful enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shurrikhan
I have read in party chat only once that we should save limit break for a boss and since then never again. It is, at least while playing with other players older content from ARR-HW, just a mechanic that is sometimes used but doesn't feel really essential to the gameplay.
I am pretty sure most player don't even know what limit breaker is and that there is a command to use it. -
10-31-2021, 01:41 PMShurrikhanThey are indeed underpowered at the moment, sometimes not worth the top DPS's uptime to cast them unless they just barely finish off the enemy in that cast (making the post-cast stunlock irrelevant), but consider how much less powerful they'd have to be if you then had 8 of them. They should be buffed regardless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Athael_Elluvien
Granted, we could roughly split that by role and increase enemy HP to make up the difference of a tank, DPS, and Healer LB all no longer sharing a resource cost and thus being simultaneously available (with also effectively twice the DPS LB available if we don't want them to feel pathetic in their LB being split twice as far as the other roles), so it'd take extra effort, but a more elegant solution may be possible.
That may or may not be good advice. Generally, it's just a matter of portions, overkill, and relative uptime cost. If you normally deal 60% of your damage per target in AoE as in single-target, you should spend your LB in AoE instead, since the LB does 75% damage per target, better than normal combat. That said, AoE situations have multiple HP bars, some of which you may overkill even as you fail to kill others, leaving you unable to attack (due to LB's self-stun) for part of the fight, so the minutia of the decision get... messy.Quote:
I have read in party chat only once that we should save limit break for a boss and since then never again.
Probably because it doesn't even put itself on your hotbar.Quote:
I am pretty sure most player don't even know what limit breaker is and that there is a command to use it.
Similarly, the devs seem to wonder why people die to Duty Action mechanics when there was absolutely no prep to introduce what a duty action would be... -
11-18-2021, 05:48 AMSilver-Strider
The 1st 2 changes of LB are the same for all classes/roles.
LB 3 has a distinct feature based on the class that uses it
Bard shots an arrow into the sky and it rains a volley of arrows
Machinist summons a giant turret that fires a lazer
Dancer will dash thru the battlefield and after a slight delay, causes an explosion of slashing and flower petals to appear.
While LB1+2 could be adjusted to at least fit a class better (MNK being probably the biggest offender IMO), it really doesn't matter much because LB outside of 3 don't really have a huge impact in fights.
Having said that, I'd rather not have LBs become individual buffs because LB affects some classes worse than others. MNK, as an example has too many opportunity costs with using LB. Losing Twin Snakes, Demolish falling off not to mention the lose of any potential Chakra gained during your normal rotation makes LB 1 a DPS loss in most cases. -
11-26-2021, 12:07 AMKisshu
I wouldn't mind the ability to earn alternative LB3 animations. If Hien became an optional trust NPC and maxing out his LV gave you his unique LB as a reward which could then be used on SAM instead of the current one(but you can swap between them).
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11-26-2021, 01:45 AMAnhraQuote:
Originally Posted by Silver-Strider
The only difference they have, are the visuals. They still share the same Range and damage.
As someone who generally wishes for more individuality among all the Jobs in this game, giving every Job their own unique Lb1, Lb2 and Lb3 (that isnt just a different coat of paint) would be a great addition to gameplay elements. I think the best way to do such a thing, would be that Lb1 & Lb2 would be for individual use, and Lb3 would be shared between the party as it currently is. Also, the Person who triggers the Lb3, would of course, lose all his Lb1 & Lb2 Progress from doing so. Also make sure, all Lb forms arent just simple Damage and Healing abilities, there is more than just that out there in the woods that would make a difference.
From what i've heard, PvP is going to get something like this inplimented but i hold my opinion on that until we get more details about it. -
11-26-2021, 03:44 AMKhalithar
I think giving every party member an LB bar is a bad idea.
I think giving each job a unique animation for all limit break levels would be fine though. Seeing a different LB1/LB2 would be a nice change of pace as they've been the same for a very long time and I do find the visuals a bit tiresome at this point. -
11-30-2021, 05:37 PMSilver-StriderConsidering ESO's track record on how poorly balanced Ultimates are, individual LBs with different effects and damage would be equally unbalanced. Essentially, LB 3 would be reserved for the classes with the best effects and everyone else is screwed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anhra
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12-01-2021, 02:18 PMNobleWinterIt's already like that. In casual content you will almost exclusively see dps LBs and it's still incredibly rare to see a well executed Tank Limit Break. Healer LB 1 and 2 are practically myths. I use evwry limit break when appropriate and most feel terrible. A Healer Limit Break that doesn't revive the party is basically a Medica 2. Hardly feels worth the time to charge it. The least they could do is make it look better than Standard Step to execute.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silver-Strider