Physics on Summoner is very weak, intended or just a bug?

Is there any good reason for Physics be attached to Mind instead of Intelligence for Summoners? If so, why then Red Mage has its Vercure attached to Intelligence and heals as much as Healer does?

Is there any information of that changing in the near future? (like Endwalker)

I also saw that Summoner is getting some new spells that heals, will they be attached to mind too?

There is no good reason and it probably isn’t going to change with endwalker because the devs are weirdly stubborn about it.

But their new cures will likely be based off INT.

Physick is attached to MND because of how Arcanist branches into SCH and SMN. If they put it as a SCH-only ability, it would have to be level 30+, meaning SCHs wouldn't have anything for healing in the pre-30 dungeons aside from their fairy. So it exists on SMN because it's necessary for low-level synced SCH to have it. It's attached to MND because otherwise SCH couldn't use it effectively and be unable to do their role. SMN can still use it because it's still an ACN ability. Physick being left on SMN is just an unfortunate result of these things, so I'd simply take it off the hotbar if I were you.

As for other healing abilities (Everlasting Flight, new Phoenix move) I imagine they're going to scale more properly to SMN, just like Second Wind does for melee, Curing Waltz does for DNC, Vercure does for RDM, etc.

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Originally Posted by Arakachi-Jiro

If so, why then Red Mage has its Vercure attached to Intelligence and heals as much as Healer does?

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The posts before mine have largely answered your question, but another thing to consider is that RDM is supposed to juggle white and black magic, so white magic stays relevant to its kit through to level cap.

Where as they decided the mages that start from 1 (Black Mage and Summoner) need a little sustainability help in the early levels before they really get their feet under them. BLM, like WHM, can equip shields. And SMN borrows a healing spell from its twin SCH.

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Originally Posted by Zeich

Physick is attached to MND because of how Arcanist branches into SCH and SMN. If they put it as a SCH-only ability, it would have to be level 30+, meaning SCHs wouldn't have anything for healing in the pre-30 dungeons aside from their fairy. So it exists on SMN because it's necessary for low-level synced SCH to have it. It's attached to MND because otherwise SCH couldn't use it effectively and be unable to do their role. SMN can still use it because it's still an ACN ability.

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This is actually no longer true. If you check the tooltips, Physick on Summoner is listed as a ACN/SMN spell, while Physick on Scholar is listed as just SCH. These are two entirely separate spells that just happen to share the same name. It's been this way since the start of Shadowbringers, I believe. SMN-Physick still scaling off mind is either an oversight or strange design choice, not a necessary evil like it used to be.

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Originally Posted by Riyshn

This is actually no longer true. If you check the tooltips, Physick on Summoner is listed as a ACN/SMN spell, while Physick on Scholar is listed as just SCH. These are two entirely separate spells that just happen to share the same name. It's been this way since the start of Shadowbringers, I believe. SMN-Physick still scaling off mind is either an oversight or strange design choice, not a necessary evil like it used to be.

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Huh, today I learned! I wasn't actually aware of that. Thanks for the info. o.o

Edit: Double interesting - even their Ruin is considered separate, prolly for upgrade paths to Broil? Then yes, weak Physick either needs to be removed or scaled properly.

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Originally Posted by Riyshn

This is actually no longer true. If you check the tooltips, Physick on Summoner is listed as a ACN/SMN spell, while Physick on Scholar is listed as just SCH. These are two entirely separate spells that just happen to share the same name. It's been this way since the start of Shadowbringers, I believe. SMN-Physick still scaling off mind is either an oversight or strange design choice, not a necessary evil like it used to be.

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And if you look at the SCH abilities, you also get ones like Whispering Dawn pre-30 that unlock with the job stone so it wouldn't need to be a level 30 spell.

While still not great at 50, Physick can be used still for about 10% of your HP. Maybe the stat squish will make it useful again so you aren't having that 5-600 HP cure from when you had 5-6k HP still be the same amount as when you have over 100k HP and becoming more .5% HP recovery.

Oh, don't get me started on lv30 SCH. You lose abilities by equiping the SCH job stone. Not even just ACN stuff being replaced - a Lv30 SCH actually has less buttons than a Lv30 ACN!

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Originally Posted by Zeich

Physick is attached to MND because of how Arcanist branches into SCH and SMN.

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Arcanist has nothing to do with it. Scholar and Summoner used to share many abilities, Bio, Ruin II, Energy Drain, etc. and they all scaled correctly.

Edit: lol, I see someone already replied to this. Yeah, anyway, the Arcanist link has always been a bit overhyped as a problem IMHO. It's been pretty obvious since Stormblood that the link between them isn't as problematic as it first appeared to be.

It's intended. Arcanist starts off with physick and then becomes either a scholar (healer) or a summoner (dps). It scales mostly off the mind stat which healers can stack but dps cannot, although a relatively small contribution is made by weapon damage and substats.

It's more useful at low levels where it can save a situation if the healer can't and it's also used by scholars, although not very often. A scholar is more likely to use one of their off-globals or an adlo unless they have used all of these up but that is rare.