Gotta love loving a house after 13 hours to blatant third party software

13 hours. The person who won was using an autoclicker. VERY obvious because the character kept targeting things in an easily discernable pattern. You could tell where the mouse was clicking by standing in certain spots, could even work out where their camera was based on it. So far? NOTHING has been done by a GM.

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Originally Posted by Verendal

13 hours. The person who won was using an autoclicker. VERY obvious because the character kept targeting things in an easily discernable pattern. You could tell where the mouse was clicking by standing in certain spots, could even work out where their camera was based on it. So far? NOTHING has been done by a GM.

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Auto clickers after the fact are hard to prove. What do you want / expect a GM to do after the fact.

Look at logs, see the reports filed, see that the person 'suddenly' started having connection issues when people talked about it in chat as they continued to hold this targeting pattern for fully half an hour after sale ended, nonresponsive to any attempts to communicate, revoke the house.

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Originally Posted by Verendal

Look at logs, see the reports filed, see that the person 'suddenly' started having connection issues when people talked about it in chat, revoke the house.

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Check logs for what exactly? A GM will not punish someone over conjecture / speculation. I prefer GM’s and those with power to take action when they can be absolutely sure. Sure you might be right but you could also be wrong.

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Originally Posted by Verendal

Look at logs, see the reports filed, see that the person 'suddenly' started having connection issues when people talked about it in chat as they continued to hold this targeting pattern for fully half an hour after sale ended, nonresponsive to any attempts to communicate, revoke the house.

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The issue there is all SE would see on their end is a lot of purchase requests from a single party. Given that everyones connection to the servers are wildly varied, it cannot really be pinned down as "suspicious" very well. The GMs need to catch them in the act, rather than after the fact.

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Originally Posted by Awha

Check logs for what exactly? A GM will not punish someone over conjecture / speculation. I prefer GM’s and those with power to take action when they can be absolutely sure. Sure you might be right but you could also be wrong.

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The logs would show far, far too many 'coincidences' to be simply ignored as 'speculation' everything blatantly adds up.

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Originally Posted by Kenky

The issue there is all SE would see on their end is a lot of purchase requests from a single party. Given that everyones connection to the servers are wildly varied, it cannot really be pinned down as "suspicious" very well. The GMs need to catch them in the act, rather than after the fact.

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They would show that party continuing to hit requests like 'target player request info' 'target placard request info' in a discernible pattern by the location of the targets at the time of click.

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Originally Posted by Verendal

The logs would show far, far too many 'coincidences' to be simply ignored as 'speculation' everything blatantly adds up.

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Key word would still show what could amount to a coincidence. SE GM’s go based off what they can see and be proved as a violation of TOS.

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Originally Posted by Awha

Key word would still show what could amount to a coincidence. SE GM’s go based off what they can see and be proved as a violation of TOS.

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I'm sorry, I can't give proof without going into name and shame territory but in this case? It's no more conjecture than 'two people in a room, one holding a smoking gun the other on the floor having been shot, there was a fence between them so they could not have picked up the gun after the other person shot themselves, but we didn't see them pull the trigger so it's just conjecture'

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Originally Posted by Verendal

I'm sorry, I can't give proof without going into name and shame territory but in this case? It's no more conjecture than 'two people in a room, one holding a smoking gun the other on the floor having been shot, there was a fence between them so they could not have picked up the gun after the other person shot themselves, but we didn't see them pull the trigger so it's just conjecture'

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Problem is using your example you have no way to prove the bullet was fired from said gun. So yeah without that then the possibly remains that something else is responsible. Sure it may be unlikely but without it then doubt can be established which personally I do not think people should be found guilty of something if the possibility remains as that they are innocent.

In the end SE GM’s go based off what they can prove. In the end yeah if they cannot prove the violation then they will not take action.