The idea behind this rework is to move summoner away from being a designated pet job and instead have the act of summoning and the commanding of our egi's be the core mechanics of our job. It moves us away from our arcanist roots by removing our diseases and the festering of our diseases, instead having us summon multiple egi's to attack targets and spending aetherflow to use Egi Assault I/II to have them attack a target with single/multi target.
- Ruin - All ruins are left as is.
- Outburst - Same as before.
- Bio/Miasma - Replaced with Summon I/II: Instead of putting a disease dot on the target we instead summon a random egi to attack the target over that same 30 seconds. Mechanically it will function exactly as a disease with the egi's having to be resummoned when the 30 seconds is up and will disappear when the target dies instead of swapping to another target. This way it is identical to the old diseases to the extent that there is even a debuff on the target counting down until it ends so you know when to reapply.
- Energy Drain/Siphon - Same as before.
- Aetherflow - Added back into the game, same as before. Allows you to gather atherflow without needing a target i.e. out of combat.
- Fester - Replaced with Egi Assault I: Spend an atherflow to command your egi's to attack the target, dealing increased damage depending on how many egi's are attacking the target. Functions identically to fester and the old disease system where you'd only to do it if you have both on the target.
- Painflare - Replaced with Egi Assault II, commanding your egi's on that target to attack with their respective aoe moves.
- Enkindle - Same as before except it causes both of the egi's on that target to use their signature attacks.
- Bane - Mechcanically the same: just as before you spread your diseases to other targets, this will summon forth a host of egi's to attack nearby targets. To clarify if you used Summon I on an enemy and used bane on it, Summon I will be applied to all nearby enemies and they will each have an egi attacking them. Same thing with Summon II. If you have both Summon I and II on the target it will spread both. To reiterate, when targets with egi's attacking them die the egi will leave the battle.
Yet Another Summoner Rework
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09-05-2019, 08:25 AMVitreusYet Another Summoner Rework
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09-05-2019, 08:26 AMVitreus
- Tri-Disaster - Mechanically the same: applies your two dot's, here your summon I and summon II, summoning forth two egi's to attack the target. Keeps the ruination effect.
- Dreadwyrm Trance - Reverted to how it was before Shadowbringers. It must be unlocked by spending your aetherflow which here is done not by fester/painflare but instead with Egi Assault I/II for single/multi target. As before it causes Ruin to be instant cast and resets Tri-Disaster.
- Summon Bamamut - Nearly identical as before except it doesn't remove your egi's on the field. Attacks the target with Wyrmwave when you use a GCD. But now when you use Egi Assault I/II it will cause Bahamut to attack instead with increased potency to the moves.
- Summon Firebird - Identical as before but with the increased synergy of Egi Assault I/II that we gave Bahamut and not removing your egi's.
Tl;DR - dot's replaced with egi summon I/II, fester and painflare replaced by Egi Assault I/II, spend aetherflow to unlock DWT
It's minor but this would allow us to summon other beast tribe primals as we should be able to do in the lore. If the devs are worried about cluttering the field with too many summons their sizes can be reduced. If they wanted the egi's summoned forth by Bane could be even smaller to represent their reduced potency. Of course the egi's would have to all function identically besides visual effects but I think it's a fair trade to be able to use them all including the third wheel that is titan. - Tri-Disaster - Mechanically the same: applies your two dot's, here your summon I and summon II, summoning forth two egi's to attack the target. Keeps the ruination effect.
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09-05-2019, 09:00 PMPalladiamors
How about no? A lot of people like it as a pet job. Stop trying to take away something that has been fundamental from the start, and start looking for ways to fix the issues.
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09-07-2019, 11:45 AMRubiss
I think it'd be amazing if Egis just went away and we got more Demi-summons. They feel more impactful and look really cool too. If Egi Assault was replaced with I don't know, Summon 1 and Summon 2 that had a CD instead, that'd be more fun. Instead of having a green glowing chicken and such, we'd just have something like Bahamut or Phoenix for a short burst.
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09-08-2019, 12:24 AMDyvid'Nuff SaidQuote:
Originally Posted by Palladiamors
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09-17-2019, 12:21 AMXiaokiWhen you mold something out of crap it doesn't matter how many times you remold it, it will always be crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palladiamors
To fix the issues of Summoner as a pet class they would have to completely redesign and reprogram the pets from the ground up.
You don't care about the Egis, you use them only because you have to to use that you actually want to use which is Bahamut and Phoenix. -
09-17-2019, 12:29 AMEloah
I just cant with these threads.