Whm Idea

I think Whm should have the most interesting/complex dps rotation out of all the healers.
1. Whm has 0 gimmicks, whm has only its dps spells and its healing.

2. The Healing for Whm is the simplest out of any of the 3 healers, so I would think it could make lots of room to make it complex through its dps rotation.

3. Whm is supposed to be the "pure healer" or selfish healer, I know that most selfish dps jobs have some of the easiest rotations but, it doesn't feel good, for me and the tank, when I out dps a tank just by pressing 121111112 and some times 3.

I know Whm is supposed to be the easiest healer to get into but Whm having the easiest healing toolkit shouldn't mean that it can't have a complex dps toolkit. I also think it would help a lot of healers learn to dps because if 25%-50% of your buttons are damage buttons it would incentivize people do it more.

This is my first post! so sorry for mistakes and the such.
I would also like some suggestions, because I'm not creative with these sorta things.

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Originally Posted by Acece

I think Whm should have the most interesting/complex rotation out of all the healers.
1. Whm has 0 gimmicks, whm has only its dps spells and its healing.

2. The Healing for Whm is the simplest out of any of the 3 healers, so I would think it could make lots of room to make it complex through its dps rotation.

3. Whm is supposed to be the "pure healer" or selfish healer, I know that most selfish dps jobs have some of the easiest rotations but, it doesn't feel good, for me and the tank, when I out dps a tank just by pressing 121111112 and some times 3.

I know Whm is supposed to be the easiest healer to get into but Whm having the easiest healing toolkit shouldn't mean that it can't have a complex dps toolkit. I also think it would help a lot of healers learn to dps because if 25%-50% of your buttons are damage buttons it would incentivize people do it more.

This is my first post! so sorry for mistakes and the such.
I would also like some suggestions, because I'm not creative with these sorta things.

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If you mean it should have the most complex dps rotation, I can kind of get on board, although I think that all the healers need more complexity in their offensive options than they currently have. It makes sense that the healer with the highest dps should have the most difficult means to achieving that (and it being fun is just a bonus).

That said, I don’t think SCHs really have a gimmick anymore. The fairy has been reduced to two unreliable and unresponsive abilities that don’t have to be centred on yourself, plus two abilities which don’t make much difference to your play anyway (fey union and fey blessing). I still want SCH to get their dps kits back, but I would be very happy for WHM to get something just as complex.

I can totally see why you would think that way, I personally think on sch that they should lean into sch fairy. Like they should make salene and eos like cleric stance, making salene into either a dps turret that can't heal at all, or into a pure buff fairy would be rad. I also think sch should get their dots back, sch is fun in prog but after that it gets meh.

WHM in its current state really only has Fluid Aura to work with in terms of opening its DPS options, short of adding new or discontinued abilities to it. The rest of the toolkit is fairly straight forward so it would be hard to try and add additional effects to them.

Personally, I'd like if Fluid Aura was changed into a frontal cone AoE with a slow effect on a 60s CD so that SCH could get back Shadow Flare but barring that, I can't really see much leeway in its current toolkit for making DPSing as a WHM more engaging. I could think of other things for WHM, like adding charges to DB, reducing the CD on PoM down to 120 or having PI mitigate damage while up, but that's about it really.

I think the current tool kit is a good base, but I feel like it needs more. Whm only really feels satisfying when you get a misery out during raid buffs or a good assize that heals and dps, every other time you're really just spaming glare. They could make more of whms damage spells heal like assize or make whm more cd based, like giving temperance a damage buff. but for the most part i kinda want them to redesign the whole dps rotation (the whole 4 spells) of whm.

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Originally Posted by Silver-Strider

Personally, I'd like if Fluid Aura was changed into a frontal cone AoE with a slow effect on a 60s CD so that SCH could get back Shadow Flare but barring that, I can't really see much leeway in its current toolkit for making DPSing as a WHM more engaging. I could think of other things for WHM, like adding charges to DB, reducing the CD on PoM down to 120 or having PI mitigate damage while up, but that's about it really.

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What does one have to do with the other?

I see this on a bunch of different comments “if SCH got bane back WHM would need something too”, etc. WHM deserves more toys, but there doesn’t have to be a 1:1 on all the moves. If there were, where’s SCH’s assize? Where’s our misery? Where’s WHM’s chain strategem?

It’s okay for the healers to be different. It’s not okay for one of them to be significantly weaker, but you can get around that with changing potencies.

If anything, I’d say it’s not okay for them all to be the same. Homogenisation is generally a bad thing, and given how much time healers spend dpsing aging homogenised dps kits would make them (and does already, to a large extent) make them feel the same to play.

If you want fluid aura to be a cone aoe, that’s fine. It sounds like fun. If SCHs want Shadowflare back, that’s fine too, but the one has nothing to do with the other.

I dunno, I have been whm main from realm reborn I always liked the fact it's simple and it's toolkit is straightforward and effective. We could maybe use a little variance in damage abilities (fluid aura anyone?) but those traits are why I actually like it, I would not want it changed too much.

That's a valid opinion, I've only come in at the very end of storm blood, I don't know the opinions of most whm. But optimizing on whm (and the other healers) feels like I just get to press glare more, the only time I feel rewarded for optimizing is when i can land a double misery during add phase or during raid buffs.

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Originally Posted by Acece

That's a valid opinion, I've only come in at the very end of storm blood, I don't know the opinions of most whm. But optimizing on whm (and the other healers) feels like I just get to press glare more, the only time I feel rewarded for optimizing is when i can land a double misery during add phase or during raid buffs.

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The optimization basically boils down to trying to gcd heal as little as you can and knowing the fight and what you can get away with, it's the same with all the healers, knowing when you actually need people to be topped off and planning your heals, that's the optimization.

what I mean was, when you optimize you get rewarded with more dps uptime, but the dps rotation is still boring. It's like that for all the healers but I wanted to talk about whm specifically because I feel like it had the most potential for having a complex/fun dps rotation.