Worst housing system I have ever seen

The game buries you in decorations and expects you to try and win the lottery for getting a plot. I know why the devs dont fix this, they are using this as incentive to move to a less populated data center/server. Do not give in, keep putting the pressure on to add more plots and fix the housing issue! also they should investigate monopolies hard. housing Monopolies are against TOS and there is tons of real estate agents anyway selling and buying plots using their accounts and their families accounts.

Now all of that aside the method of obtaining a plot is literally the lottery which favors people with alot more time to play the game creating a has and has not situation (further giving incentive's for people to seek out real estate agents and pay large sums which violates TOS) If your going to make this system as such make it an actual lottery where NO one can own more than one house personally. (Sorry folks, for those of you who play this game for housing, you need to learn the share)
Give us something different, please devs. Maybe an instanced housing option similer to the APTs.

/facepalm
There is already an instanced housing called apartment....

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

/facepalm
There is already an instanced housing called apartment....

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Beat me to it.

I seen worse housing systems in MMOs. LotRO when I tried that game about 7 years ago immediately comes to mind.

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Originally Posted by Delphinus

The game buries you in decorations and expects you to try and win the lottery for getting a plot.

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The game doesn't expect you to do it. It lets you decide if you want to try.

You can use most of the housing items obtained through normal game play in apartments. You only need a plot for the outdoor items and those usually are an optional purchase you're free not to make.

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Originally Posted by Delphinus

I know why the devs dont fix this, they are using this as incentive to move to a less populated data center/server. Do not give in, keep putting the pressure on to add more plots and fix the housing issue!

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Of course it's one incentive to get players to move to lesser populated servers where housing is already available. They aren't going to add more wards when that's going to create even more vacancies on worlds that already have plots available.

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Originally Posted by Delphinus

also they should investigate monopolies hard. housing Monopolies are against TOS and there is tons of real estate agents anyway selling and buying plots using their accounts and their families accounts.

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Where does it state that in the ToS?

I doubt the flippers are using the accounts of family members when an individual can have multiple server accounts.

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Originally Posted by Delphinus

Now all of that aside the method of obtaining a plot is literally the lottery which favors people with alot more time to play the game

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I can't think of a MMO that doesn't give advantages to people with more time to play. It's hard to design a MMO so greater time investment doesn't lead to greater rewards.

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Originally Posted by Delphinus

(further giving incentive's for people to seek out real estate agents and pay large sums which violates TOS)

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Please quote the portion of the ToS that says this is a violation when only gil is involved.

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Originally Posted by Delphinus

If your going to make this system as such make it an actual lottery where NO one can own more than one house personally.

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They aren't going to penalize players who legitimately obtained multiple houses when limits were per character, not per account. Forcing those players to give up their additional houses will only help a handful of players and still leave the majority without wanting one.

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Originally Posted by Delphinus

Maybe an instanced housing option similer to the APTs.

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Now you're onto something. More plots is not the answer. An improved instanced housing system is because then every player, even every character, who wanted a house could get one without creating the strain on server resources that more wards creates. It removes the power of the flippers because there's no reason to try to bribe another player to give up the plot they already own when you can get one directly from the game when you want.

I've no doubt that have something in store for us with regards to housing improvements but only they know exactly what it is. Let's hope the 5.1 live letter gives us some information.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Now you're onto something. More plots is not the answer. An improved instanced housing system is because then every player, even every character, who wanted a house could get one without creating the strain on server resources that more wards creates. It removes the power of the flippers because there's no reason to try to bribe another player to give up the plot they already own when you can get one directly from the game when you want.

I've no doubt that have something in store for us with regards to housing improvements but only they know exactly what it is. Let's hope the 5.1 live letter gives us some information.

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This I agree with. I’m certain they know by now that just adding new wards/plots isn’t going solve the problem. And even if they did find more ways to prevent bots or house flippers who just buy plots then sells them at crazy prices, they would just find ways to exploit that system again just like now.

What they really need to work on is improving apartments and perhaps allowing us to upgrade them with our Gil. They already have the framework and foundations of instanced housing, they just need to evolve or improve on it. I mean I love the crystarium inn suite. Note how it feels more spacious and bigger than the previous inn rooms we had. I think that’s a hint that they’re working on something involving apartments.

Now I might be wrong and this is just theory crafting but I do think they are working on something, just because there has been no response from them so far doesn’t mean they don’t see or ignoring the problems of our current housing system. But they can’t make promises they can’t keep either.

But I also hope that they’ll bring it up either at the part 1 of the 5.1 live letter (though I assume it’ll be mostly about the Neir raid) ^^ or they’ll mention it in Part 2.

Housing is a topic that needs in general a fix.
It cant be that you have housing in this game with servers full of thousands over thousands of players, and then this game actually makes it possible only for like a few hundred of them to actually own a house (among which are many FC Headquarts and actually no personal houses), while everyone else is forced to have maximum only an appartment. Thats pathetic.

Housing has to be possible for everyone. I don't need to have for this extra full housing villages. Would be enough if my house is just a personal instance to which I could invite others, it doesnt need to stand for me extra in an instanced village full of houses from others.

Make Housing if that needs to be a thing that costs like 1 Dollar/Euro rent a half year, thats 2 Dollar/Euro a year, if that use only 1 million active players theb does earn housibg 2 million cash that should be more than enough money alone already to upgrade servers with more than enough bandwith to ensure that everyone can have own houses who actually want to have one, because only due to that feature being there, doen't mean that all players want also to use it.
Not every player must be into housing and likes it, ther are also alot of player which don't care themself about housing in FF14 at all.

But everyone who cares about it, should also be able to use that feature, without being forced to play any plot lottery for years!!! Thats just ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

/facepalm
There is already an instanced housing called apartment....

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Thank you. Apartments are dirt cheap and are literally everywhere on my server, on top of that, they don't hold you hostage (unlike houses), and will always be there for you no matter how long you're away from the game. I don't think the players who keep complaining about housing are ACTUALLY upset about not having their own space, they're just upset a few other players have something they don't (and something that isn't even all that I might add, as a home owner myself, I honestly just use my house as a gil sink and the occasional gardening).

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Originally Posted by Kaiserdrache

Housing is a topic that needs in general a fix.
It cant be that you have housing in this game with servers full of thousands over thousands of players, and then this game actually makes it possible only for like a few hundred of them to actually own a house (among which are many FC Headquarts and actually no personal houses), while everyone else is forced to have maximum only an appartment. Thats pathetic.

Housing has to be possible for everyone. I don't need to have for this extra full housing villages. Would be enough if my house is just a personal instance to which I could invite others, it doesnt need to stand for me extra in an instanced village full of houses from others.

Make Housing if that needs to be a thing that costs like 1 Dollar/Euro rent a half year, thats 2 Dollar/Euro a year, if that use only 1 million active players theb does earn housibg 2 million cash that should be more than enough money alone already to upgrade servers with more than enough bandwith to ensure that everyone can have own houses who actually want to have one, because only due to that feature being there, doen't mean that all players want also to use it.
Not every player must be into housing and likes it, ther are also alot of player which don't care themself about housing in FF14 at all.

But everyone who cares about it, should also be able to use that feature, without being forced to play any plot lottery for years!!! Thats just ridiculous.

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Sorry, but the moment you suggested players should actually pay rent for a house in FFXIV, I couldn't take you seriously. Some of you claim that the current system is such a disaster, but then you propose ideas that are literally 100x worse. What are you trying to accomplish here.

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Originally Posted by TheForce

Sorry, but the moment you suggested players should actually pay rent for a house in FFXIV, I couldn't take you seriously. Some of you claim that the current system is such a disaster, but then you propose ideas that are literally 100x worse. What are you trying to accomplish here.

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To be honest, I'd support a rent/property tax type system over boosting purchase prices like some players want. It's more akin to getting a mortgage - make a down payment then pay the rest over time instead of needing a huge amount of gil up front. It also ends up a more effective gil sink because it's taking more gil out of the economy over time than the single upfront purchase fee does.

It's not a disastrous idea. The disaster would only happen if poorly implemented. Still, I don't think it's something SE is going to consider let alone do at this point unless they can't come up with different housing solutions and need to find a way to lower demand for what is already in the game.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

To be honest, I'd support a rent/property tax type system over boosting purchase prices like some players want. It's more akin to getting a mortgage - make a down payment then pay the rest over time instead of needing a huge amount of gil up front. It also ends up a more effective gil sink because it's taking more gil out of the economy over time than the single upfront purchase fee does.

It's not a disastrous idea. The disaster would only happen if poorly implemented. Still, I don't think it's something SE is going to consider let alone do at this point unless they can't come up with different housing solutions and need to find a way to lower demand for what is already in the game.

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In order to stop their houses from being demolished, homeowners have to pay £72.99 (€116.91) a year. If careful, they can get away with only paying for 9 months if they choose to take breaks or stop playing the game but want to keep their house. (they would also need to log in and touch base)

They do not have the luxury of only paying for 4 months a year in order to keep up with story.

I still maintain the best MMO game I've played for housing was White Knight Chronicles.