Love the DRK, thoughts on other tanks.

I know the trend is to complain but I love the new DRK.

Sure i could post little things i would change but the point is he feels way better than he ever has. He finally has a god damn flow, like every class should. He is still the most complicated tank to play and I love that, im always doing something.

War is also awesome just like last expansion, high DMG, sustainability and huge satisfaction factor.

PLD is a brick wall as usual, not my cup of tea but fills the role of the pure tank greatly.

Gunbreaker looks cool and has great dmg but honestly his rotation is braindead simple, a great starter tank imo but eventually boring, same as the red mage.

What do you mean DRK have now a flow? The job has a flow before and a good one, just bcs you don't like it doesn't make it haven't it.

And it's nice if you want to believe you play the most complicate tank but current DRK can't stand at the size of the boots of PLD and GNB in terms of complexity, not even his older versions that make current DRK looks like a Job for 3 years old kids, no offense.

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Originally Posted by shao32

What do you mean DRK have now a flow? The job has a flow before and a good one, just bcs you don't like it doesn't make it haven't it.

And it's nice if you want to believe you play the most complicate tank but current DRK can't stand at the size of the boots of PLD and GNB in terms of complexity, not even his older versions that make current DRK looks like a Job for 3 years old kids, no offense.

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Care to elaborate the complexity of the GNB?. How exactly is his gameplay more complex than DRK?.

Am I the only one who actually misses Dark Arts o_O?
Especially on a visual standpoint DRK's 1 2 3 combo is just zzzZZzzzZ without it.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

Am I the only one who actually misses Dark Arts o_O?
Especially on a visual standpoint DRK's 1 2 3 combo is just zzzZZzzzZ without it.

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I don't miss the ability itself but I do somewhat miss the animation. I would really love seeing the animation make a comeback, perhaps being the activation animation for Delirium or for when the Walking Dead state gets activated after using Living Dead.

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Originally Posted by TouchandFeel

I don't miss the ability itself but I do somewhat miss the animation. I would really love seeing the animation make a comeback, perhaps being the activation animation for Delirium or for when the Walking Dead state gets activated after using Living Dead.

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I miss the animation as well, I expected dark arts to become a simple damage buff or similar with a long cooldown.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

Am I the only one who actually misses Dark Arts o_O?

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I'll miss the animation. It really sold the concept of magically amping yourself up with a surge of power. It was the tedium of having to do it over and over and over and over and over and over and over again that drained the fun out of it.

I wouldn't have minding keeping the actual Dark Arts skill and just making it less repetitive. Even something simple like, "+x% increased damage for y seconds" would have been cool. Maybe replace the animations of your 1-2-3 combo during it's duration with some of the many unused animations DRK has racked up in a short amount of time.

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Originally Posted by armandojc3

Care to elaborate the complexity of the GNB?. How exactly is his gameplay more complex than DRK?.

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Of course, first to DRK is solely based on 123 combo with his oGCD on recast and always keep 3k of mp for TBN, his buffs blood weapon and delirium are based on fit 5 GCD between 10s, in case of delirium being bloodspiller only and that's it, his skills have zero sinergy so there is no order or any requirement you have to keep in mind when you play the job compared to the past versions.

GNB on the other hand have his burst combo gnasing fang every 30s and his no mercy buff window every 60 where you have to fit 2 dots, a complete gnashing fang combo and the most amount of burst strikes posible. GNB need his gnashing fang combo perfectly sync to work properly or you have to delay the entire combo 30s to alineate everything again depending of how much you mess up. his burst window require being used on different GCD of his main combo to gain the most amount of burst strike during no mercy depending of bloodfest recast, in other words GNB have many stuff to keep in mind to keep his DPS properly Vs DRK keep everything on recast saves 3k of MP and that's it.

Note I'm not complaint about GNB gameplay at all, I find it fun and rewarding.

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Originally Posted by shao32

Of course, first to DRK is solely based on 123 combo with his oGCD on recast and always keep 3k of mp for TBN, his buffs blood weapon and delirium are based on fit 5 GCD between 10s, in case of delirium being bloodspiller only and that's it, his skills have zero sinergy so there is no order or any requirement you have to keep in mind when you play the job compared to the past versions.

GNB on the other hand have his burst combo gnasing fang every 30s and his no mercy buff window every 60 where you have to fit 2 dots, a complete gnashing fang combo and the most amount of burst strikes posible. GNB need his gnashing fang combo perfectly sync to work properly or you have to delay the entire combo 30s to alineate everything again depending of how much you mess up. his burst window require being used on different GCD of his main combo to gain the most amount of burst strike during no mercy depending of bloodfest recast, in other words GNB have many stuff to keep in mind to keep his DPS properly Vs DRK keep everything on recast saves 3k of MP and that's it.

Note I'm not complaint about GNB gameplay at all, I find it fun and rewarding.

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What you described about GNB is not complex whatsoever, its a simple rotation, specially compared with any of the other 3 tanks.
The complexity about tanks is about active mitigation, you"HAVE" to wisely mitigate dmg to stay alive and not overtax the healers (its not just pop stuff on tank busters).
Other than that, the only complex skill among the tanks is called TBN, and only because its a possible loss of 500 potency if misused.

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Originally Posted by ExLegen

What you described about GNB is not complex whatsoever, its a simple rotation, specially compared with any of the other 3 tanks.
The complexity about tanks is about active mitigation, you"HAVE" to wisely mitigate dmg to stay alive and not overtax the healers (its not just pop stuff on tank busters).
Other than that, the only complex skill among the tanks is called TBN, and only because its a possible loss of 500 potency if misused.

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TBN is not complex, it's limited by design and the excessive punishment.

Rotation is more complex to execute and keep depending of the design of the rotation himself, keep the integrity of the rotation is more harder depending of the job, in the case of GNB and PLD they rotations are more rigid so are harder to adjust to mechanics and correct mistakes Vs DRK that they can fit abyssal drain, salted earth, carve and spit, edge, blood weapon window and delirium window where they want and when they want since there is nothing that hold the power of such skills since all of them are independent now, so his execution is fairly much more easy in result. DRK have his resource management severely simplified and reduced so the job don't have anything that can be take as difficult to use, TBN status right now just limit the skill to TB and only TB that's all.