BA is the 2nd biggest waste of development time, only beaten by Diadem 2.0

SE taking 0 of the complaints of the emergency mission in Diadem 2.0 and makes content that is close to being worse.

If you had made this 24-man, LIKE PEOPLE ACTUALLY ASKED FOR, it COULD be better. Trying to coordinate 56 idiots to clear content is stupid. 56 idiots that can't even get a raise other than a "70%" chance (Sacrifice is stupid and you know it's more like a 30% chance knowing this game's poor RNG). Then you can't even change jobs while being inside, not even in the start zone. Then you also need people outside the dungeon to even progress by defeating an NM? Why should those people even care about giving other people the pleasure of clearing this? Why should I even trust people to actually do something they don't even get rewarded that much for?

You even gave the biggest warning beforehand, making sure almost no one even bother to attempt it, making every zone dead for trying BA. Not even bother to attempt the doable first bosses, and you NEED to do those to even clear the thing. And you need to farm them. And no one can be bothered to do it because you scared every casual away. Good job. You literally need to use Discord because of how unpuggable this garbage content is. It's impossible to pug this, which is one of many, many, MANY terrible design decisions you made.

SE you messed up and have made something which is neither rewarding nor fun or interesting. It's so little rewarding that people that have done it have absolutely 0 reason to even help anyone else in it. And then you need to farm the first part a trillion times just to be able to attempt the last two bosses? When 50% of attempts can't even get through trash mobs because EVERYTHING relies on tanks and healers. Garbage tank or healer? Oh, you have to wait for the next attempt. How is this fun?

With Shadowbringers, and every expansion after, STOP INTRODUCING FF11 CONTENT. You are completely incapable and incompetent at making good design decisions for this type of content. Just. Stop. Trying.

So don't do it? This isn't a mandatory thing to do in order to receive the weapon/armor. It is an added bonus for people, unlike you, who want something VERY challenging to complete. It has been conquered by people so clearly it achievable.

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Originally Posted by Zzzlol94

Then you can't even change jobs while being inside, not even in the start zone. Then you also need people outside the dungeon to even progress by defeating an NM? Why should those people even care about giving other people the pleasure of clearing this? Why should I even trust people to actually do something they don't even get rewarded that much for?

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Umm, you get a ton of exp for completing the outside NM. Why wouldn't people do it? I am level 54 and I do it every time because I want the EXP.

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Originally Posted by Zzzlol94

no one can be bothered to do it because you scared every casual away. Good job. You literally need to use Discord because of how unpuggable this garbage content is. It's impossible to pug this, which is one of many, many, MANY terrible design decisions you made.

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I don't think SE ever said the Arsenal was actually intended for casual players, otherwise it wouldn't be locked the way it as nor have a high difficulty to complete. It's just a little something at the end for players that wanted an extra challenge, no different to the Ultimate raids (which can also be tough to pug but not impossible).

Personally I think the Arsenal should have had it's own duty matchmaking instance seperate from Eureka, it could have at least made it a little easier to form parties. Although I wonder if 24 people are the max you can recruit through the Party Finder, hence that's why it didn't happen.

OP have a valid point. This is kind of content that very few players gonna attempt, therefore for a majority of players it's as good as non-existent and therefore waste of development time. And I'd like to add, same can be said about ultimate and savage. :p

Trying to get just 56 people together is pretty impossible I hope they come up with a solution soon the proto ozma battle looks like fun, I'd like to experience it.

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Originally Posted by Kurando

Although I wonder if 24 people are the max you can recruit through the Party Finder, hence that's why it didn't happen.

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Pvp can do up to 72, so 24 is not the max. But I will agree that SE does make me feel alienated with this content. I dont6mind a grinding, but it's not enjoyable at all. That's why I'm still level 2.

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Originally Posted by Eloah

Pvp can do up to 72, so 24 is not the max. But I will agree that SE does make me feel alienated with this content. I dont6mind a grinding, but it's not enjoyable at all. That's why I'm still level 2.

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Maybe my wording wasn't clearly, but I don't think you can recruit for anything more than 24 through the Party Finder, so if you wanted to pre-form a group before hand for the Arsenal it would be difficult. The Duty Finder however can match up to 72 for PvP, but then you would risk being matched up with randoms or even put in different instances to other parties you wanted to do it with.

How spitefull

There are discord channels on Chaos, more than one to clear BA. One of them has over 500 members, and we have like 9 teams doing it. (+1 french)


And its the best thing i experienced so far. We killed it on Eu first, despite most of us are not even harcore raiders or even raiders at all. (sadly i died on eu first kill, but they helped me to get it the next day) And they are wellcoming newcomers too!
It can be done, it is being done, and it is fun!

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Originally Posted by Zzzlol94

With Shadowbringers, and every expansion after, STOP INTRODUCING FF11 CONTENT. You are completely incapable and incompetent at making good design decisions for this type of content. Just. Stop. Trying.

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For every person that says this, there is another person that says the opposite. SE please keep creating Eureka-type content. No one HAS to do Eureka.