Please no more Eureka!

Having heard they plan something like Eureka in 5.0 i just had to throw my 2 cents in.

No yoshi P, its not well received, people just do it because you hide Emotes, mounts and Relics behind it. Btw: I seriously dont know why people do content they dont enjoy. I for myself wont finish this Relic. Having played Aion back in the day, i truly know what grind is and when i first entered pagos, tried it for a few hours.... i felt just like back in Aion.

Same for the 4.X pvp btw. People dont like it, they just play it because we simply have no other option for doing pvp in this game. PvP'ers dont wanna pay 2 Subs just so they can enjoy the pvp of another MMO.

Players have been vocal about Eureka, a lot say they hate it, yes there are a few who like it but most of your costumers dont. You cant just assume that your players like it because they do the content, they do it for the Stuff thats locked behind it. Please rethink that "idea" and maybe put in another storyheavy relic like in ARR or Heavensward.

Have a good Day

Araxes.

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Originally Posted by Araxes

Btw: I seriously dont know why people do content they dont enjoy.

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Can't speak for this relic, but in previous expansions they eventually became your BiS. So for people who liked to aim for that, or serious raiders, it was pretty much required, even if it required slogging through grinds and content that frankly were way below your skill level.

Reminds me of Azerite power in WoW right now, tbh. Best way to get them is through world quests (basically dailies) and these really boring faceroll instances called island expeditions. Even if you're a Mythic raider pushing prog on Jaina you still have to mass-AOE your way through braindead stuff to unlock your class's full potential. It's always been a frustrating conundrum for me, and part of the reason I'm glad I don't raid seriously in either game anymore.

If they do decide to continue with this form of content, I sincerely hope they do something to encourage people to be active instead of leeching.

Myself and many others I play with enjoy Eureka, it's our favorite content in the game. I'm personally very happy they will be adding another version of it in ShB.

I just don't get all of this vehement aggression towards it. I don't like Savage Raiding or PvP, yet I don't bemoan SE or Players that enjoy it, I'm happy people are able to have something in this game they enjoy and am happy for them when they succeed at it. The rewards from both are good, but I don't feel that I'm owed any of it, the people that put in the effort for it did hard work and deserve it just as myself and others who enjoy eureka got joy out of getting our rewards from it.

Please stop asking for content to be removed that you personally don't like, we all have aspects of this game we enjoy and none of us want that feeling taken away.

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Originally Posted by Gralna

Please stop asking for content to be removed that you personally don't like, we all have aspects of this game we enjoy and none of us want that feeling taken away.

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The difference is in the amount of effort that gets put into the content. Savage raiding, from a model and area standpoint, doesn't take nearly as many resources as Eureka. And while I'm sure it takes a lot of time to design the fight mechanics, the majority of that effort gets used in the Normal version of the fights, which virtually all players can experience and enjoy.

When our sub money is being used to fund incredibly large amounts of time and effort towards content we don't like, we have the right to complain about it. The creation of Savage raids doesn't remove a noticeable amount of resources from other parts of the game. Eureka absolutely does.

I was a bit late in working on some later parts of the relic for 4.X (In which I haven't even done much in the more current one), but it's really disheartening when people actively say 'why are you working so hard lol' when trying to help pre-farm stuff, or even the parties that disband after 10 or so minutes when trying to gather light. With what I have done in the most recent one, a lot of people aren't willing to help lower level players travel by mount if it's not too far, and I've had waves of people just run right past me while I'm laying there dead and actively shouting in the chat. I've even been griefed when trying to level up as a healer there, and I'm actively healing people doing the pre-farming, with people shouting I'm mooching because I'm not fighting.

I like the older relics because (Multiple in both 2.X and 3.X done for me) you could do many of the steps in them alone. In Eureka you really can't do anything solo efficiently....if at all. Sure some things have gotten 'better' as they somewhat listened to feedback, but I really do not want something this heavy in co-op content. There were originally two ways to get weapons for your class, relic and raid. Relic for the more casual people, something you could work a little bit on each day or when you felt it, and raid weapons for the more hardcore players, but it wasn't as bad as eureka.... and you never had to worry about de-leveling if people felt like being jackasses and didn't raise you if you died.

Pls more Eureka.

I am all for diversification of methods which will allow me to get equipment.

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Originally Posted by Beckett

The difference is in the amount of effort that gets put into the content. Savage raiding, from a model and area standpoint, doesn't take nearly as many resources as Eureka. And while I'm sure it takes a lot of time to design the fight mechanics, the majority of that effort gets used in the Normal version of the fights, which virtually all players can experience and enjoy.

When our sub money is being used to fund incredibly large amounts of time and effort towards content we don't like, we have the right to complain about it. The creation of Savage raids doesn't remove a noticeable amount of resources from other parts of the game. Eureka absolutely does.

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You should not worry more about the SE finances than they are, this game is growing and the income is growing as well. They would not decide to create separate pieces of content if they would be short on money and funds.
If they want to work more, you should let them, stop finding excuses for devs laziness.

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While the title to this thread is extreme, Eureka is not going to be removed otherwise Diadem would of went a long time ago.

The biggest problem that's facing people is that Eureka has too many design flaws and issues that plague it, being the worst parts of MMOs meshed together and that there isn't a sense of purpose apart from doing the story and that's it. If relic wasn't a part of Eureka the only point to it would be aesthetics and aesthetics only and a side story you can read about.

If you enjoy it and many others do, more power to you, I'm glad you enjoy it, but for others (like myself) I hate it with a passion because to me it offers nothing new to me, it's a dull mob grind over and over tied with the worst kind of RNG for a weapon that's out of date even when you reach the end of the Xpac. I outright quit Eureka at Pagos, not looking back and wish it would burn to the ground, but as I'm never going back it makes no difference to me anymore.

What people want mostly is to remove the relic away from Eureka. I remember people wanting upgradeable relic gear alongside the main hand relic. SE listened... and placed it inside Eureka, which is rubbing peoples faces in it.

If you truly love the content for its own merits, surely you'll be OK with the relic being removed and back to the more older model like 2.0 or 3.0.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

If they do decide to continue with this form of content, I sincerely hope they do something to encourage people to be active instead of leeching.

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Ya, they need to add more active content into Eureka, the base design was just a glorified hub for FATE spamming.

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

You should not worry more about the SE finances than they are, this game is growing and the income is growing as well. They would not decide to create separate pieces of content if they would be short on money and funds.
If they want to work more, you should let them, stop finding excuses for devs laziness.

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They have literally said they have to cut some content in order to make others. The most obvious example of which is how we now get 1.5 dungeons per patch, where we used to get 3. They are not working more, they're simply reallocating.