Mch changes i would like

Magnum round
deals 120 potency
increase damage by 15% for 60 seconds
(hotshot/gauss barrel combined)

Refill Mag
30sec cd
Refill your ammo by 6 and increase potency by 55
(ammo/heated shots combined)

Gauss rounds
15 sec cd
load 2 bullet into your ammo which increase your next 2 shots by 110 potency
(quick reload / gauss round combined)

Piercing rounds
60sec cd
your next 6 shots deals an additional 20%
(overheat bonus)

wild fire
60sec cd
pull out 2 magnum side arms and unload 6 bullets dealing reduce damage per shot
1= 300
2= 270
3= 240
4= 210
5=180
6=150
(wildfire always used 6 gcds in rotation and was ping dependant potency will need edit)

Between the eyes
60sec cd
deliver an attack for 230 potency
*only avaliable after wildfire have ended*

Napalm grenade
throw a fire filled grenade at the target location dealing 60 damage over 80 potency over 15 seconds
(flame thrower rework)


My end goal is to remove the annoyance of being a mch.... removed "heat" management and focused entirely on Ammunition so the rotation would be managing your ammo, this will also remove flamethrower overheat mechanic aswell

nothing is more worst then being killed and loosing ways to get back on track as a mch.... this ammo system would give us MORE control during wildfire uptime and downtime and take away the annoyance of "ping" aswell as losing control of heat due to dying when barrel stabilizer is on CD

some of the potency would require changes but i stayed true to how mech currently plays and accounted for how wildfire currently works

old wildfire
6 gcds + ammo+overheat

New wildfire
6 shots + piercing rounds+ between the eyes

the trick is to manage which ammo your going to use, my mch idea for wildfire downtime your would use "refill mag" and "Gauss rounds" to manage your ammo when its time to wildfire you would use "piercing rounds" to increase the shots damage of "wildfire" then finish up with "between the eyes" then go back to reapplying "magnum round" damage bonus into "refill mag" and "gauss rounds"

it will need more work but i hope people like my ammunition mechanic..... better then the overheat mechanic

i forgot to add and cannot edit on phone

but i increased the ammo count from 3 to 6

Refill Mag = Normal 6 bullets
Gauss Rounds = 2 Lightning bullets
Piercing Rounds = 6 Fire Bullets

The MCH UI would be a Clip with bullets slotted inside so you can see your bullet count you will see normal bullets for shape for "refill Mag" you will see bullets wrapped in lightning for "gauss rounds" and then bullets on fire for "piercing rounds" which helps identify which ammo you have in your clip

so its colour blind friendly too

If nothing else, Wildfire stuck out to me.

1350 potency on Wildfire seems pretty extreme considering that even Midare Setsugekka has 720 potency, and 1080 when souped up.

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Originally Posted by Jollyy5

If nothing else, Wildfire stuck out to me.

1350 potency on Wildfire seems pretty extreme considering that even Midare Setsugekka has 720 potency, and 1080 when souped up.

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Got to agree there but overall if you do not take the potencies as seriously and leave room for them to actually balance the potencies this is a pretty cool idea

This feels like a pretty basic implementation of the original concept for Machinist to me, where you rely on mixing up attachments to improve your damage. I think that could be expanded upon, but I worry it'd feel too much like Bard's song phases.

I'd rather go the other way, and make Heat more significant, but in a way that seems absent of clear-cut "punishment". Think of the design as something like a minigame, where Heat fades continuously but is meant to be pushed as high as possible before unloading oGCD burst. Let that functionality be a trait that absorbs the present Gauss Barrel.

Therein you could just have Hot Shot follow its namesake. Make it give a large chunk of Heat. No more, no less. But, in such a case, Heat would equate to damage in some manner, be it through just a %Damage multiplier or maybe Attack Speed or whatnot as well, so Hot Shot would still fulfill its buffing function, but as an opener, pre-burst, and frequent situational, rather than as a maintenance buff.

The prospects from Napalm Grenade are making me drool a bit, though, especially in attachement to Reassemble. What if we were to take the slots left empty by Gauss Barrel--and, say, Barrel Stabilizer--and use those on augmentative skills? Once one is chosen, Reassemble could swap those augmentatives over to an active ability/consumable. Or, heck, have Reassemble swap out your some number of keys that wouldn't usually be used in sequence with it into possible weapon augmentations. Lots of MCHy things we can do with all that...

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

I'd rather go the other way, and make Heat more significant, but in a way that seems absent of clear-cut "punishment". Think of the design as something like a minigame, where Heat fades continuously but is meant to be pushed as high as possible before unloading oGCD burst. Let that functionality be a trait that absorbs the present Gauss Barrel.

Therein you could just have Hot Shot follow its namesake. Make it give a large chunk of Heat. No more, no less. But, in such a case, Heat would equate to damage in some manner, be it through just a %Damage multiplier or maybe Attack Speed or whatnot as well, so Hot Shot would still fulfill its buffing function, but as an opener, pre-burst, and frequent situational, rather than as a maintenance buff.

The prospects from Napalm Grenade are making me drool a bit, though, especially in attachement to Reassemble. What if we were to take the slots left empty by Gauss Barrel--and, say, Barrel Stabilizer--and use those on augmentative skills? Once one is chosen, Reassemble could swap those augmentatives over to an active ability/consumable. Or, heck, have Reassemble swap out your some number of keys that wouldn't usually be used in sequence with it into possible weapon augmentations. Lots of MCHy things we can do with all that...

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Your idea for a heat remake basically reminds me of NIN's Hyoton. Not a bad idea, all in all. Hell, it's not even incompatible with this proposal.

Imagine using an attachment to swap between AoE and single target versions of the core shots so that you could add Grenado Shot back in? Or bring back old Gauss Barrel, with the cast times on everything, since you can just add Heat when you get Hot Shot. Part of me wants to see a single target version of Flamethrower that's basically just you setting up a gatling gun, with the idea being that you'd use both when you're about to overheat in order to snapshot the damage bonus temporarily while the timer ticked down, keeping Wildfire independent of it, or perhaps replacing the current Wildfire with that, since it's fitting.

This, combined with more turret involvement, would probably be my ideal MCH.
Sadly I think the changes are too extreme to ever happen.

At most, I expect we could get a rework of Wildfire and Flamethrower, and I'd like to combine that with a third Knight turret that's mobile and attacks at melee range for higher potency.