Sargatanas Lore (does anyone have it?)

So i been trying to find the lore about sargatanas, I can find lore on the other names np, but for some reason i cannot find anything on sargatanas other than the fact that he was a seraphim that was demoted to a brigadier major in hell, and was from what i can assume was trying to invade dis to try to regain his faith to try to become a seraphim again? Does anyone know the full lore or where i could find it? I would love to read it.

I've got no idea, but to the best of my knowledge, the character 'r' doesn't exist in the Japanese alphabet, so why is it written Sa-r-ga-ta-na-s?

I know that Sargatanas is one of Noel's swords in XIII-2, I'm guessing that SE adapted the name since the name does sound like it could be a pair of Japanese swords. (i.e. Shinobigatana) I think you may have found the actual lore behind the name though. Curiously, Sargatanas is also the name of one of Monica's swords in Dark Cloud 2.

Edit: found this on Yahoo answers.

Sargatanas is a noble Demon Major (fallen Seraph), who rules his city-state, as much as is possible in Hell, after the pattern of the Above. In contrast is Beelzebub, the Fly (appointed by Lucifer, who has vanished), official ruler of Hell, who does all in his power to keep it a place of extreme evil and torment. In a moment of illumination, Lord Sargatanas seizes the wild aspiration that a demon might be pardoned and readmitted into Heaven, if only he could prove he has thoroughly renounced Lucifer's rebellion and re-embraced the Light. The siege of Hell's capital, Dis, becomes the path to a forgiveness desperately hoped for.

Which gives us a clue to his origin:
A seraph (Heb. שׂרף, pl. שׂרפים Seraphim, lat. seraph[us], pl. seraphi[m]) is one of a class of celestial beings mentioned once in the Hebrew Bible (Tanakh or Old Testament), in Isaiah. Later Jewish imagery perceived them as having human form, and in that way they passed into the ranks of Christian angels. In the Christian angelic hierarchy, seraphim represent the highest rank of angels.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by NefarioCall

I've got no idea, but to the best of my knowledge, the character 'r' doesn't exist in the Japanese alphabet, so why is it written Sa-r-ga-ta-na-s?

---

In Japanese, they don't quite have an "l" sound or an "r" sound but they have a sound that's pretty much a cross between "l" and "r." When writing Japanese sounds in English characters ("romanji"), the "l/r" sound is usually written with our letter "r."

Example:
ら is spelled "ra" but it often sounds like "la" to an English speaker when we hear a Japanese person say it
り　= "ri"
る = "ru"
れ　= "re"
ろ = "ro"

So in Japanese, if they use the same sounds for Sargatanas, it's probably spelled さるがたなす, written in English characters as Sarugatanasu

(Edit: although they prolly spell it in Katakana; サルガタナス)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Vanguard319

I'm guessing that SE adapted the name since the name does sound like it could be a pair of Japanese swords. (i.e. Shinobigatana)

---

Hmm, I really like the idea that SE adopted the hebrew name for a demon because of "gatana," which is how you spell "katana" when it's a suffix combined with another word in Japanese. Linguistic coincidences like that amuse me a lot xD

I wonder if Japanese players will be spelling it サルガタナス or with some kind of slang like サル刀ス (the second one uses the kanji for katana lol).

I guess that is enough lore that i can hope for, i hope to much for story book telling type lore i guess lol, like i really wanted to know what he did when he was an angel that got him kicked out, and sent to hell, and how he moved up to brigadier major of hell and if in the end he succesfully invaded dis and was able to reclaim his faith and go back to heaven. But i guess thats no where to be found? /cries lol o well.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Vaen

Hmm, I really like the idea that SE adopted the hebrew name for a demon because of "gatana," which is how you spell "katana" when it's a suffix combined with another word in Japanese. Linguistic coincidences like that amuse me a lot xD

I wonder if Japanese players will be spelling it サルガタナス or with some kind of slang like サル刀ス (the second one uses the kanji for katana lol).

---

It is spelt that way (JP FF wiki http://ffdic.wikiwiki.jp/?%C9%F0%B4%...CA%A5%B9%A1%DB)

But no, they would never use what you said second. Generally contractions are made from the first 2 syllables of a word. So maybe 猿saru (=monkey). I know they use 鯖saba (=mackerel) for "server" (サーバー).

It's hard to find lore for Sargatanas because its not really a memorable item...unlike excalibur or masamune.
However , it's quite unique to FF9 , which is more important as it keeps the theme of the current names.