A history of our beloved tanks, and moving forward. [5.0 wishlists]

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I made these little report cards that demonstrated my opinion of the tanks throughout the years. It was to help me visualize where the tanks have grown, where the tanks are weak and where the tanks can improve. What do you guys think, and what do you guys want fin 5.0 for the tanks?

Also if you feel like I didn't accurately score a tank in a certain category, let me know and I'll update it.



For 5.0, I'd like to see:

For ALL tanks:
-some older skills being pruned once again to make way for new skills
-reconsideration of skills in the role actions (things like an anti knockback across all 3 tanks would be lovely, as it's already the case with Surecast and Arm's length)
-Consider a trait among ALL tanks to be allowed to use long range enmity attacks (Shield lob, Tomahawk, Unmend) in place of Fast blade, Heavy swing and Hard slash respectively for combos. So basically, you can pull the boss with Tomahawk, then go straight into Maim, or you can pull an add with Tomahawk and go straight into Maim or Skull sunder.

For PLD:
-PLD is already pretty damn strong and doesn't need much more. I think PLD is the one tank I'd like to see have the most skills removed. ( Tempered will moved to role actions for example)
-Shield bash changed into Shield Charge ( Gap closer)
-PLD has had poor Aoe for a very long time and while it got better in SB, I think Holiest of Holy is a must have for PLD at this point. Using your MP for Aoe DPS seems like a no brainer with the existance of Holy Spirit being your MP dispenser for single target
-oGCD stances. Unchained and Equilibrium cancel out both weaknesses of Defiance. Even if the Oaths were oGCD, that would be cancelling out just a SINGLE weakness but the trade off that every time you use a tank stance, you get the immediate effects without Equilibrium. Which would be a boon for PLD's snap aggro issues.
-100% block chance Bulwark

WAR:
-I'd like more to do in between Inner release windows. Maybe a new skill to spend gauge on Aoe pulls that deals massive damage
-Relook into the mitigation kit. Holmgang is extremely powerful and on a very short cooldown.
-Ways to help your co-tank like how PLD has intervention and DRK has blackest night
-Remove Raw intuitions downside

DRK:
-Less Dark arts please
-PLEASE rethink the blood weapon/blood price exchange
-Remove Delirium and add another DPS buffing move. Very pointless skill and doesn't feel nearly as fun as other DPS buffs like Blood for blood or Requiescat
-Add some oGCD gauge spenders akin to Onslaught and Upheivel
-More buttons in general
-Burst phase to be more synergistic with group bursts
-Raid wide utility
-Reconsider Dark art's negative effect of not being allowed to gain MP outside of your own sources. If PLD can gain extra Holy spirits from mana shift/ Refresh, DRK should be able to as well. Adjust the potencies of Dark arts moves to not make this broken obviously

Instead of "holiest of holy" maybe "holy flash " and its a trait for base flash turning it into unleash type of aoe with the blind effect then gets a massive power boost with requiscat
Also if its just a trait helps with paladins massive button bloat
(Maybe even if they could learn this around same time as holy Spirit just to help with aoe department in the 60's)

Far as I remember, if you pair Awareness with Raw Intuition, it negates the crit damage taken penalty, and the Awareness buff lasts longer than Raw Intuition's. If SE 'fixes' that I'm probably gonna cry.

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Originally Posted by Cincierta

Far as I remember, if you pair Awareness with Raw Intuition, it negates the crit damage taken penalty, and the Awareness buff lasts longer than Raw Intuition's. If SE 'fixes' that I'm probably gonna cry.

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It is a neat synergy for sure, however while awareness is longer than Raw intuition, they do not have the same CD. It makes using Raw intuition awkward without awareness because you're used to having awareness up, so once you start seeing those crits with a standalon raw intuition (even a single crit) you get worried that your positioning is bad so you adjust yourself only to receive more crits. Sometimes, I'll click off Raw intuition because I realize I used it poorly in those scenarios. It doesn't exactly take skill to use when most of the time, youll pair this skill with awareness. So I say cut the fat and let it be.

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Originally Posted by Saeno

For 5.0, I'd like to see:

For ALL tanks:
-some older skills being pruned once again to make way for new skills
-reconsideration of skills in the role actions (things like an anti knockback across all 3 tanks would be lovely, as it's already the case with Surecast and Arm's length)

For PLD:
-PLD is already pretty damn strong and doesn't need much more. I think PLD is the one tank I'd like to see have the most skills removed. ( Tempered will moved to role actions for example)
-Shield bash changed into Shield Charge ( Gap closer)
-PLD has had poor Aoe for a very long time and while it got better in SB, I think Holiest of Holy is a must have for PLD at this point. Using your MP for Aoe DPS seems like a no brainer with the existance of Holy Spirit being your MP dispenser for single target
-oGCD stances. Unchained and Equilibrium cancel out both weaknesses of Defiance. Even if the Oaths were oGCD, that would be cancelling out just a SINGLE weakness but the trade off that every time you use a tank stance, you get the immediate effects without Equilibrium. Which would be a boon for PLD's snap aggro issues.
-100% block chance Bulwark

WAR:
-I'd like more to do in between Inner release windows. Maybe a new skill to spend gauge on Aoe pulls that deals massive damage
-Relook into the mitigation kit. Holmgang is extremely powerful and on a very short cooldown.
-Ways to help your co-tank like how PLD has intervention and DRK has blackest night
-Remove Raw intuitions downside

DRK:
-Less Dark arts please
-PLEASE rethink the blood weapon/blood price exchange
-Remove Delirium and add another DPS buffing move. Very pointless skill and doesn't feel nearly as fun as other DPS buffs like Blood for blood or Requiescat
-Add some oGCD gauge spenders akin to Onslaught and Upheivel
-More buttons in general
-Burst phase to be more synergistic with group bursts
-Raid wide utility
-Reconsider Dark art's negative effect of not being allowed to gain MP outside of your own sources. If PLD can gain extra Holy spirits from mana shift/ Refresh, DRK should be able to as well. Adjust the potencies of Dark arts moves to not make this broken obviously

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I could not have said it better for PLD wishlist changes except Flash gets upgraded into an instant cast AoE damage spell. And just combine stances into 1 stance that have both stances effects but no damage penalty(also applied to WAR and DRK).

WAR however... less lifesteal on WAR and moar big numbers unga-bunga on WAR, also remove AoE shield from Shake it Off, have Inner Beast and Fell Cleave be part of a 5 tier combo every time you use Storm's Eye/Path or Butcher's Block combo and have Steel Cyclone combo into Decimate.

And as for my favorite tank to main; more lifesteal effects on DRK, more offensive oGCDs, 5 tier combo, and 3 tier line AoE spell combo(Unleash, Dark Passenger, Abyssal Drain), and buff Sole Survivor with 3% increased damage dealt to target and reduces target's damage dealt by 20%, and if target dies with the debuff Sole Survivor recast is reset.

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I also made one for 5.0. I wanted to make all tanks excel at 3 categories while being weaker in two, that way all tanks feel strong but strong for different reasons.

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Originally Posted by Saeno

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I also made one for 5.0. I wanted to make all tanks excel at 3 categories while being weaker in two, that way all tanks feel strong but strong for different reasons.

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The irony you choose "blue" as your wildcard new-tank slot :D One would think you wish for Blue Mage as a tank.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

The irony you choose "blue" as your wildcard new-tank slot :D One would think you wish for Blue Mage as a tank.

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Or a gunblade would do good aoe damage blasting all over the place

Stances should be a bigger factor to gameplay, instead of just toggable buffs. Grit, Defiance, Shield Oath can basically just not exist, and you'd hardly notice their loss at all, other than having to work harder for your threat. Buteventhenthere'ssomuchthreatcontrolnowwouldyoureally?

Moving forward I'd rather see Tank Jobs differentiate from each other rather than just give them what their kits don't have right now. Numbers are fairly easy to adjust but when 90% of the tank kit feels like the other tank kits, it's hard to get excited about Totally-Not-Legate.