Dealing with Mudra Lag

How do you play NIN if you don't have 50< ms? (inb4 you don't)

I mean I love the job but my god the GCD clipping.

And if I'm not clipping my GCDs like some elaborate hedge sculpture I'm spitting out the wrong jutsu because I tried pressing buttons to fast in order to not clip my DPS little by little.

There will always be some clipping with NIN, unfortunately. It's kind of an expected part of the job. Higher pings will make it more noticeable for sure. The shorter ninjutsu can be possible to do with higher ping, but the ones with 3 mudra + activation are just not going to happen even with moderately good ping. Once you hit the level you get armor crush it gets a bit better, since that cuts back on the number of 3 mudra combos you have to do.

Personally, I set my ninjutsu to external macros set to my macro buttons on my gaming keyboard so I only press one button. Although this wasn't done because of latency, it helps with it a bit. The biggest reason for why I did it is I broke my left arm earlier this year, so I no longer have the flexibility to easily and fluidly hit up to 4 buttons with an alt or ctrl key in the space of a single GCD without inducing significant discomfort and eventually pain. With these macros there's still some clipping on the long ones, but the short ones work just fine and overall I find it's more consistent than manual entry considering my injury. External macros don't come with all of the drawbacks of in-game macros either, although it still comes with a few issues of its own depending on the capabilities of your macro software. E.g. my keyboard software will take into account manual presses of the alt/ctrl keys while executing the macro, so if I hit alt before its over it can bork it up. In order to get the macros to work without failing to activate mudras, I had to put a delay of 400ms between each mudra, and 500s before activating the Ninjutsu. For a 3 mudra ninjutsu this adds up to 1300ms plus the animation delay on the ninjustsu. My ping is relatively low, though, since I'm a lot closer to the new servers now, so someone with higher ping would likely have to play around with larger numbers.

Despite all of that, I still think manually doing them is better if you're capable of doing it.

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Originally Posted by toiletvape

How do you play NIN if you don't have 50< ms? (inb4 you don't)

I mean I love the job but my god the GCD clipping.

And if I'm not clipping my GCDs like some elaborate hedge sculpture I'm spitting out the wrong jutsu because I tried pressing buttons to fast in order to not clip my DPS little by little.

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you dont need godlike ping to play ninja. i have over 150 ms and when raiding at late hours i dont clip fuma(wich is what one should be aiming for, as not clipping raiton is near impossible). you just have to get used to not spaming the ten chi jin as they queue the first time you press and will result in a bunny. instead spam the finishing move (fuma,suiton,...)

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Originally Posted by NotADps

you dont need godlike ping to play ninja. i have over 150 ms and when raiding at late hours i dont clip fuma(wich is what one should be aiming for, as not clipping raiton is near impossible). you just have to get used to not spaming the ten chi jin as they queue the first time you press and will result in a bunny. instead spam the finishing move (fuma,suiton,...)

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If the uptime cost in weaponskills over a given fight is not greater than the potency difference between Fuma and Raiton, you should still be using Raiton. The extra half second awards 120 potency, whereas your combo average will take over a second and a half to do the same.

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Originally Posted by NotADps

i said it was near impossible not clipping raiton, not that you should never use it. that is for one to decide after having seen the whole fight, invuln phases, etc. like on faust kefka where if id use a raiton on the first minute id lose an aeolian edge right b4 boss gets invuln.
also its not 120 extra potency because fuma is a physical ability and gets buffed by both dripping blades(20%) and slashing(10%).

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The slashing would bring the ePot difference down to 96, but Dripping Blades affects all actions, including all forms of Ninjutsu. Unless you're running enough Skill Speed to manage another combo per Shadowfang without losing the global tick, the added uptime in the short-term only pushes you from clipping one tick of SF to clipping two even at minimal (for 5 actions in TA) SkS, wasting a further 40 potency, and placing you back at an effective potency cost of 136. The .5n cost over the fight will matter a lot if losing a combo ender, but within a given SF window, a half-excessive weave can mean a whole lot less if it prevents a clipped tick when the only other option would have been to have SF missing for 1-2 global ticks.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

If the uptime cost in weaponskills over a given fight is not greater than the potency difference between Fuma and Raiton, you should still be using Raiton. The extra half second awards 120 potency, whereas your combo average will take over a second and a half to do the same.

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i said it was near impossible not clipping raiton, not that you should never use it. that is for one to decide after having seen the whole fight, invuln phases, etc. like on faust kefka where if id use a raiton on the first minute id lose an aeolian edge right b4 boss gets invuln.
also its not 120 extra potency because fuma is a physical ability and gets buffed by both dripping blades(20%) and slashing(10%).

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Originally Posted by NotADps

i said it was near impossible not clipping raiton, not that you should never use it. that is for one to decide after having seen the whole fight, invuln phases, etc. like on faust kefka where if id use a raiton on the first minute id lose an aeolian edge right b4 boss gets invuln.
also its not 120 extra potency because fuma is a physical ability and gets buffed by both dripping blades(20%) and slashing(10%).

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Yup this. Once you do the math, the difference in potency is only 43 points. Generally speaking, that's not really worth clipping into your global cooldown unless you're not on the boss due to some kind of mechanic.

As someone who's casually played Ninja from back in 3.0, being an Australian I've had ping varying from 200 to 165 or so.

I personally use a VPN, ideally aiming for one which works best for you! Battleping, Pingzapper, Mudfish, etc.

Just being very calm and aware of how your mudras work is ideal, especially when it comes to Ten Chi Jin, If I approach the 200ms ping mark, I get laggy fake mudras, at 170 or 180 it never happens, but if it DOES? Spamming the execute mudra command less helps for me.