Over on the tank and DPS forums, there is a lot of talk about damage numbers with respect to damage steroids. Players argue about personal damage vs raid damage and how certain jobs numbers should be boosted. You may have seen SAM or BLM complain about how their DPS numbers should be buffed to compete against other jobs. Same with how WAR complained against PLD again, and DRK feeling left behind since 4.0.
AST and SCH are currently the so called best healer composition for high damage output. WHM is cited as having low DPS utility since they lack a raid damage steroid.
Should WHM have their personal DPS increased to balance out for their lack of raid damage buffs? In effect would WHM having damage numbers equivalent to AST with average card luck be a good thing?
Should WHM get a personal damage buff?
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03-29-2018, 04:39 AMlulunamiShould WHM get a personal damage buff?
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03-29-2018, 05:05 AMIttyBitty
Even with higher personal damage output, WHM would still technically be in the same place as SAM. Personal DPS increases, while nice, would still see them benched because of how powerful buffs are when stacked. WHM at least can cling to the "progression healer" title.
Removing raidwide buffs/<damagetype> resistance down debuffs is really the only way to shake things up, but I wouldn't necessarily say that's a good thing in itself. -
03-29-2018, 05:12 AMVanilleFang
WHM is in a good spot right now. It does a ridiculous amount of damage already, for a healer. Anymore damage on WHM would be ridiculously strong... AST and SCH is good for fast clears if everyone does their job correctly. On the flip side WHM is the best healer for progression because of the raw power it brings...
WHM is more a "I can do it without having to rely on others" healer. SCH and AST, to get the most damage, need to have allies who can make the most out of their damage buffs. -
03-29-2018, 06:43 AMMoroMurasaki
The only issue I have with WHM getting personal damage buffs is the same issue SAM/BLM getting buffed presents - at some point why would you play anything else in casual content?
To an extent WHM already has this - if you're healing an expert roulette doing it as something other than WHM is just silly. The personal dps is so strong and you don't need to hope you get competent dps to make use of cards you can be top dps in most AoE pulls with proper use of Holy/Thin Air/Presence of Mind. Throw Assize, Aero 3 and Cleric/Swiftcast on there and it's just overkill.
So yeah, I'm a WHM main, but I don't think we need much else. We have strong heals and reliable dps, asking for more is igniting a potential salt explosion from ASTs that seems like something I want to avoid.
Would I enjoy it if it happened though? No comment. -
03-29-2018, 06:50 AMGhishlain
I don't feel that WHM needs additional DPS buttons / buffs to make themselves seem more desirable versus their healer counterparts. I'm of opinion that any "selfish DPS" class should have higher personal DPS but lower raid DPS because coordinating buffs to stack in specific manners during a fight take some time and trust. If a "selfish DPS" could match the total DPS contribution of a more utility DPS, then the question has to be asked why bother bringing the utility DPS when a selfish DPS can do the same damage at less co-ordination. I feel its fair for higher DPS gains playing a DPS job that requires both good coordination and high skill versus a DPS that can hit high numbers on the power of high skill alone.
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03-29-2018, 08:46 AMDriskus
I personally think its fine as-is. Sure, you're not going to be top DPS on a single target unless the DPS are straight up awful, but for AoE, WHM is already insane enough. Aero III followed by PoM/Thin Air Holy spam, Assize, and another Swiftcast Holy is probably going to be top DPS in some cases.
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03-29-2018, 01:09 PMEaMett
As someone who regularly keeps an eye on actual rdps vs dps I think things are fine. At the moment AST brings just slightly more rdps than WHM dps. If you play your cards perfectly we're talking 200-300 more rdps in a party of 99 percentiles. Your average party will most likely never leverage the cards as well and my experience is that WHM and AST roughly provide the same rdps in those instances.
It's kind of the same old: meta comps are often only worth it if you know how to leverage them which isn't the case of 90% of the user base.
That the AST -could- top the WHM rdps is normal given the added amount of complexity involved (DPSing + cards vs just dpsing) and the higher HPS provided by WHM. Both lag quite a bit behind SCH though, but sch has a bit of a harder dps rotation than both and iirc has the lowest sustained HPS output of the three healers so they make up for it in this fashion. -
03-29-2018, 01:31 PMRisvertasashiSCH does more, by a wide margin, in addition to bringing the raid buff.Quote:
Originally Posted by VanilleFang
(In raids. Yeah yeah holy spam dungeons etc etc) -
03-29-2018, 01:31 PMVanilleFangYeah. I mostly meant Holy spam. >_>Quote:
Originally Posted by Risvertasashi
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03-29-2018, 01:33 PMRisvertasashiThe problem with looking at it like this is... no one PF recruits or goes to raid recruiter discords for dungeons. In a raid setting, however...Quote:
Originally Posted by VanilleFang