Sam and Mnk need more than Diversion

I've been in Savage Deltascape pugging 1-4 this week with BiS Sam and every run i've ended up tanking for a good portion of the fight, usually dying to a tank buster. Using this skill on CD has not been enough to make a major impact on personal enmity control. I believe this skill is not enough enmity mitigation for the highly damaging classes.

I suggest to make Diversion more dynamic, by cutting enmity in half as well as reducing enmity generation for 15s, as well as shortening the recast timer to 90, or even 60 seconds.

Ninja and Dragoon already have enmity reduction skills in their toolkit, so i feel these changes to Diversion would help the enmity problem affecting Sam and Mnk.

I think it's also a tanking problem in your case and the tank didn't generate enough hate.

However, what's true is that monk and samurai are the only dps to have 1 way to reduce hate.
Caster have both diversion and lucid dreaming.
Bard/Mch have MP/TP regen, with the secondary effect to reduce hate.
And like you said, Ninja and drg have their own.

It's always great to have another option to reduce hate when diversion is not ready, especially if you're generating too much or if the main tank dies and the other has to build hate quickly.

As a MNK Tank, I wholeheartedly agree.
I keep Diversion on CD at all times during a fight but even with Tanks Provoke/Shirking I have been on the receiving end of more than a few Tank busters and it is NOT fun.

would it be better to adjust diversion to act more like Refresh and Tactician? halving hate on Bard is extremely effective and they crit all day

Changing diversion to just halve enmity still leaves Monk and Samurai with half as much aggro control as every other job. Tacking an aggro cut on Invigorate would be a reasonable addition.

I support this idea. When AST needed more than Luminiferous Aether by Thordan launch devs simply gave them a passive enmity reduction on Sects. Something simmilar could be made to MNK and specially SAM. DRG and NIN both have an ability besides Diversion to reduce enmity. Such a simple change would already make PF more friendly towards these two unliked jobs.

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Originally Posted by KDSilver

I think it's also a tanking problem in your case and the tank didn't generate enough hate.

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There's a bit of truth to this. If your ripping hate tanks are obviously in dps stance too much of the time. And should switch to build up a bigger lead.

Which is also kind of ironic because tanks won't swap stance because it's a dps loss. But when people say just scrap stances tanks are like nope. Stance dancing is fun... but they never actually switch stance when they need to anyway and thus they lose hate..

Diversion isn't really the problem

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Originally Posted by Dzian

There's a bit of truth to this. If your ripping hate tanks are obviously in dps stance too much of the time. And should switch to build up a bigger lead.

Which is also kind of ironic because tanks won't swap stance because it's a dps loss. But when people say just scrap stances tanks are like nope. Stance dancing is fun... but they never actually switch stance when they need to anyway and thus they lose hate..

Diversion isn't really the problem

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I would still say that Monk and Samurai still do have a problem because the lack of a secondary Aggro management skill is unique to them (among DPS anyway, White Mage also needs a way of limiting threat like Astro's passive cut on its stances or Scholar splitting its healing with its pet).

Thanks for the input, I posted this on several other sites, and also the feedback page in hopes of someone important seeing this and making some changes by the next patch. For some reason this issue seems to have been overlooked in the case of Sam&Mnk, but now that more people are getting higher gear the enmity problem is becoming more apparent.

They've overlooked a lot of problems with SAM and MNK, and this ranks pretty low on that list. Unfortunately, since people are being so loud about it, paired with how easy a fix it would be, they could easily get the wrong idea that this is the biggest and most important complaint of SAM/MNK's. Pretty worrying to be honest, since it pushes more urgent changes further back. Not to say the extensive threads about 'ignoring MNK', and other such things aren't keeping up the good fight, but I don't know that I trust the dev team since I've seen these things play out since 2.0 lol.