Monk's not wanting to play without heavy physical groups?

Does anyone else feel this way?
Lately I, and the few Monks I know that haven't went Samurai yet feels like there's really no point in playing Monk if there's not at least 2 other physical DPS in the group because of how weak Brotherhood, and in extension RoF feels.

Monk is the only job that's damage is so heavily dependent on your group composition, and I feel like going forward this is really going to hurt the job.
Let's say somewhere down the road RDM+BLM is the optimal group for raiding.
That's going to make Monk very unfavorable sine Brotherhood will only be playing off 1 physical DPS and two tanks.
I even consider locking 2 DPS slots to physical attacks when playing Monk just to ensure I have a decent chance at dealing damage, and that just feels ridiculous to do.

I'm not really asking for buffs, I think Monk is fine where it is. But Brotherhood definitely needs to be reworked so that they're not so dependant on a specific comp for their damage.

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Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

Does anyone else feel this way?
Lately I, and the few Monks I know that haven't went Samurai yet feels like there's really no point in playing Monk if there's not at least 2 other physical DPS in the group because of how weak Brotherhood, and in extension RoF feels.

Monk is the only job that's damage is so heavily dependent on your group composition, and I feel like going forward this is really going to hurt the job.

I even consider locking 2 DPS slots to physical attacks when playing Monk just to ensure I have a decent chance at dealing damage, and that just feels ridiculous to do.

I'm not really asking for buffs, I think Monk is fine where it is. But Brotherhood definitely needs to be reworked so that they're not so dependant on a specific comp for their damage.

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This is the usual group comp, though. 2 Melees, 1 caster and 1 range should always land you with 2 other physical dps.

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

This is the usual group comp, though. 2 Melees, 1 caster and 1 range should always land you with 2 other physical dps.

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That's the case in static raid groups. In PF, you take what you can get. I find myself simply switching to RDM if we get more than 1 caster. Brotherhood just feels too weak without enough attackers adding to it's effect.

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Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

That's the case in static raid groups. In PF, you take what you can get. I find myself simply switching to RDM if we get more than 1 caster. Brotherhood just feels too weak without enough attackers adding to it's effect.

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I mean if you're looking at PF groups, then that's even less of an emphasis on requiring a specific comp to get things done, especially if we're looking at trials and up to V3, doubly so since if I were to run by your example, my MCH is already gimped (moreso than BRD) for not having a DRG, yet we've managed to get our first clear with 40 seconds ahead of enrage.

It's a far more of a stretch to see party comps with no ranged (and opting for double casters instead) compared to seeing a party with no dragoons at all, and even more of a stretch to say that MNK is heavily dependent and gimped in the case of a double caster.

Personally, Idgaf about composition.
If we get more casters, fine; Most of the time it's RDM that join and their Embolden helps us much more than Brotherhood ever did, just cause even if we get Forbidden Chakras back to back, there's that stupid 5 second CD on it that would prevent us from spamming it regardless.

People worry too much about what Brotherhood does for the MNK and not enough about the whole picture. Tanks still benefit From Brotherhood so it's a DPS increase regardless of composition. Your personal DPS might suffer a little bit but an extra FC or 2 every 2 minutes isn't going to make or break a run.

I haven't noticed a big issue really, if it's just me and the tanks doing the physical damage I'll still pop it. Honestly I wish they'd just make Brotherhood affect overall dps, not sure why they made it the way they did.

I'm actually getting the hang of the new MNK. Now if next patch gave us GLIV...

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Originally Posted by Silver-Strider

People worry too much about what Brotherhood does for the MNK and not enough about the whole picture. Tanks still benefit From Brotherhood so it's a DPS increase regardless of composition.

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It's because 5% physical dmg increase is so negligible, the only thing to actually look at is what it does for you. With only one other physical attacker, you'll be lucky to even get a 5% dmg increase from Brotherhood.

That's the problem with RNG. You have to make the skill extremely strong, or else it feels underwhelming when you barely get one Forbidden off under Brotherhood.

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Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

Monk is the only job that's damage is so heavily dependent on your group composition, and I feel like going forward this is really going to hurt the job.
Let's say somewhere down the road RDM+BLM is the optimal group for raiding.
That's going to make Monk very unfavorable sine Brotherhood will only be playing off 1 physical DPS and two tanks.

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I mean... last expacs meta was 4 physical dps. There wasn't even a casting spot.

Joining a party that doesn't have an Ast gives you a personal dps disadvantage.

Joining a party without a bard, gives you a personal dps disadvantage.

In HW I absolutely hated my static comp as an SCH. I could frequently hit the 95 percentile... without a bard and without an AST to feed off their aoe balances. It's just something you grit your teeth and deal with.

At least you're given tanks to help proc everytime. Also, RDM can proc brotherhood. (Lulz)

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Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

It's because 5% physical dmg increase is so negligible, the only thing to actually look at is what it does for you. With only one other physical attacker, you'll be lucky to even get a 5% dmg increase from Brotherhood.

That's the problem with RNG. You have to make the skill extremely strong, or else it feels underwhelming when you barely get one Forbidden off under Brotherhood.

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I've gone whole fights with 3 Physical DPS/2 tanks and not gotten 1 Chakra from Brotherhood, the only thing that makes it worth it in that composition though is that at least half the party benefits from Brotherhood but, as you say, 5% is negligible anyways, just like AoE Balance or Embolden are negligible.

I still do any run as Mnk unless there is another mnk in party then I'll go in as Sam.
No point to have 2 mnk in party now with current skills.