Observe now 7 CP??!!

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Wait a min! 7 CP for Observe? As we discussed this before, doesn't this means that we can keep using Comfort Zone and SPAM Observe to gain more CP???

CZ (-66), then every step we gain 8CP but loses only 7CP if we use Observe, and occasionally we take Tricks of Trades... Basically, we can do this forever, right?!?!

Doing easy math since you have to account for the inital cost... you would loose a total of 66-10((8-7)*10) meaning total cost is 56 cp just to wait for 10 steps. At the 25% proc of good we would get 2 procs (since you can't double proc) netting us each 27 cp. 27*2= 54 cp. RNG could bless you but it's a gamble

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Originally Posted by Bdyer

Doing easy math since you have to account for the inital cost... you would loose a total of 66-10((8-7)*10) meaning total cost is 56 cp just to wait for 10 steps. At the 25% proc of good we would get 2 procs (since you can't double proc) netting us each 27 cp. 27*2= 54 cp. RNG could bless you but it's a gamble

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Ah, you're right. Even if two Tricks appears, it's still a -2 CP loss :/
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over 10 steps it will average -2 CP, over 20 steps it will average +16 because over 20 steps, that would 5 procs at 25%. So yes, we can very likely do indefinitely.

I would only consider using something like this when HT has a poor RNG run on the final product.

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Originally Posted by ChameleonMS

I would only consider using something like this when HT has a poor RNG run on the final product.

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A couple new skills have a bonus (100% success) when used immediately after Observe

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over 10 steps it will average -2 CP, over 20 steps it will average +16 because over 20 steps, that would 5 procs at 25%. So yes, we can very likely do indefinitely.

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Unless I missed a change in the Patch Notes, the odds of a G/E proc are not 25%. It's more like 9% (L60 2-star) or 14% (L58) depending on the level of the recipe.
See http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ar-L60-recipes

So on average you'd get one ToT doing CZ+10xObs on an L60 2-star craft. If lucky, two.

In the former case, your spent net CP is 66(Cz) + 9x7 (9xObs) + 10x-8 (CZ rebates) + 1x-20 (ToTs) = 66+63-80-20 = 29 CP.

In the latter case, your spent net CP is 66(Cz) + 8x7 (8xObs) + 10x-8 (CZ rebates) + 2x-20 (ToTs) = 66+56-80-40 = 2 CP.

Not something you can maintain forever. But still, this change makes Observe useful, for the first time.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

A couple new skills have a bonus (100% success) when used immediately after Observe

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Really? I do not see that in the patch notes. Was it in the Live Letter or something else?

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Originally Posted by ChameleonMS

Really? I do not see that in the patch notes. Was it in the Live Letter or something else?

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In reddit they've done (I don't know if I can get banned for using the word in this forum so I'm going to avoid it) suspicious stuff to get the information.

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

Unless I missed a change in the Patch Notes, the odds of a G/E proc are not 25%. It's more like 9% (L60 2-star) or 14% (L58) depending on the level of the recipe.
See http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ar-L60-recipes

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Excellent resource, Thanks.

Pretty sure Square fucked up. Observe was broken early in the game and had to be nerfed since it could generate infinite cp. It seems like something similar is going to happen

1. You get additional CP Back with Satisfaction. The Observe 'rotation' can be used as a good way to get durability back
2. The observe 'rotation' can be used as a way to fish for an excellent for BB.
3. The trait 'Quality Assurance' increases the chances of material condition being good
4. Not exactly sure how it works, but the Skill 'Initial Preparations' could decrease the CP cost of both Observe and CZ