Just did frontline roulette; now I remember why I don't pvp

Apparently it's a viable healing strat to focus on using astropotatians who just run around spamming aspected benefic to instantly shield themselves for more than a SCH can shield non-crit.

And the counter to this is? Nothing I'm aware of, seeing as there are no constant snares in this game, and the engine of the game makes pvp a fustercluck, where you'll stun someone and they'll move about 10 yards before coming to a "stop." So pinning down that AST who's just spamming an instant shield/heal skill is next to impossible without overwhelming numbers. And really, you can kill anything with overwhelming numbers.

Pvp overhaul when? Or, barring that, major nerf to AST shields in pvp when? A 30s CD on Aspected Benefic when in Noct would be a solid start.

They've already received multiple nerfs to their shields.
You just need a couple people with a good burst. Consistent damage output won't net you any kills, burst damage will.

As someone who regularly plays AST in Frontlines, it's not infallible. It's saved my bacon a few times, but not if the other team is good and determined to burst me down.

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Originally Posted by bounddreamer

As someone who regularly plays AST in Frontlines, it's not infallible. It's saved my bacon a few times, but not if the other team is good and determined to burst me down.

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This.

Aspected Benefic-only spam is actually a sign of a bad AST in Frontlines. It works a bit better when you have an area where you can LoS people.

It's also extremely MP intensive.

The issue is more with you and your group, OP.

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Originally Posted by CyrilLucifer

This.

Aspected Benefic-only spam is actually a sign of a bad AST in Frontlines. It works a bit better when you have an area where you can LoS people.

It's also extremely MP intensive.

The issue is more with you and your group, OP.

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Yeah it's pretty much a last resort thing, trying to escape a few dps who are chasing me down. I wouldn't recommend spamming the shield as a general practice.

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Originally Posted by Quor

Apparently it's a viable healing strat to focus on using astropotatians who just run around spamming aspected benefic to instantly shield themselves for more than a SCH can shield non-crit.

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Except that if you read any tool tips you'd see that the shield only does 65% of the amount healed in PvP.

An AST spamming aspected Benefic on themselves is one that's not healing their party. Take advantage of this.

I do think it's hilarious how many players think they NEED to kill any player they come across, regardless of how well that player can keep themselves alive. On WHM I have literally stood in a corridor to a large ice while my team went ahead to beat on it. What does the other team do? Stop to try and kill me rather than proceed on to the objective or my squishier teammates. It's not like I can stop them from running past me (Well, not all of them anyway).

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Originally Posted by Urthdigger

I do think it's hilarious how many players think they NEED to kill any player they come across, regardless of how well that player can keep themselves alive. On WHM I have literally stood in a corridor to a large ice while my team went ahead to beat on it. What does the other team do? Stop to try and kill me rather than proceed on to the objective or my squishier teammates. It's not like I can stop them from running past me (Well, not all of them anyway).

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Because we queued for PvP not PvIce. Not that complicated of a concept.

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Originally Posted by Quor

And the counter to this is? Nothing I'm aware of [...] without overwhelming numbers..

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I suggest you learn to play either MNK/DRG/BRD/MCH and learn a solid burst, usually an AST who spams nocturnal AB is an AST who doesn't know any better. The jobs I mentionned can kill a healer in less than 2 seconds without good reaction from their target, and they can do it solo.

They simply dps that couldnt burst the healer, right now dps burst>heals, maybe you wont be able to solo but 2 dps burst are likely goin to take down any healer if they know how to burst, also vs shields use dots . An ast spamming aspected benefic should stay on frontlines cause i doubt he would last 2 minutes on feast