So apperently someone linked to the dev team says transpose > blizard IV, never using

never using blizzard III for umbral III:
https://gyazo.com/f7bd3482f4e00de1e3b29ff1562a20aa

My friend says you do not do that because it takes too long to get MP and increase the cast time on fire III. If you go down to 300 mp or whatever you need 3 tics of umbral I where it is 2 under umbral III

But this guy is claiming he is on the dev team or knows someone one idk, that says that never using B III is better DPS.

Is this true or? guy left a1s light farm over this

U have to have umbral 3 just to use blizz 4 soooo...

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Originally Posted by RoseOfTheRaven

U have to have umbral 3 just to use blizz 4 soooo...

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Pretty sure that isn't true. Just need umbral ice, doesn't require umbral ice 3.

As to the veracity of transpose being better than blizz3, I'd have to do some math and/or testing before I could comment.

Yes it's true, as long as you have the mp to cast blizzard 4 and thunder after you transpose (which in the average BLM rotation you should), you'll have enough mp refreshed to go back into your fire rotation by the time you cast both of them.

Blizzard 3 is costing you a GCD that transpose isn't, to do the same job as transpose but with some minor damage (not worth the GCD used) due to blizzard 3 damage being nerfed by astral fire. And your fire 3 damage is also getting nerfed more from umbral ice 3 than it would from umbral ice 1. Basically instead of blizzard 3, you could have done another fire 4 + transpose and gotten the same result but with more damage and then you'll get a stronger fire 3 to boot.

The difference is kind of negligible though, it could probably be made up for with a lucky crit or some good thundercloud procs and honestly wasn't worth fighting over, especially in a light farm... But the damage with transpose would technically be higher.

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

My friend says you do not do that because it takes too long to get MP and increase the cast time on fire III.

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Decreases, it makes it faster to cast, not longer.

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Originally Posted by RoseOfTheRaven

U have to have umbral 3 just to use blizz 4 soooo...

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Any umbrel let's you blizzard 4.

Some fights I'll flare transpose blizzard 4 and go back into aoe fire 2flare to keep enochain up. I don't think the small 5% increase covers the blizzard 4 cast time but sometimes pays off.

Sohm al hard for example I'll Enochain aoe the trash before second boss toss in a blizzard 4 after flare and transpose and when those 2 worms pop up. Means I can burn them down so much faster with fire 4s and still have a fresh Enochain ready for the boss.

My math could be wrong, but I am coming back with using transpose as a 100 potency loss (5 potency per second lost over 22ish seconds) in a standard 4f4 rotation using no procs or abilities. I don't have the mp necessary to cast an extra fire 4 with transpose unless you get the global tick conversion just right, with that extra fire 4 you end up at a .5 potency per second loss over 25ish seconds.

It is a negligible difference but unless someone has different math it looks like, overall, transpose is a slight dps loss. The only thing that might make it more beneficial to use transpose is if you have inadequate spell speed and are having trouble casting thunder in every umbral phase.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Decreases, it makes it faster to cast, not longer.

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comparing umbral I casting fire to umbral III
umbral I increases fire III cast time compared to doing it under umbral III and if you push your mp down to triple digits your looking at 3 tics for mp under umbral one instead of 2.

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Originally Posted by Ferth

My math could be wrong, but I am coming back with using transpose as a 100 potency loss (5 potency per second lost over 22ish seconds) in a standard 4f4 rotation using no procs or abilities. I don't have the mp necessary to cast an extra fire 4 with transpose unless you get the global tick conversion just right, with that extra fire 4 you end up at a .5 potency per second loss over 25ish seconds.

It is a negligible difference but unless someone has different math it looks like, overall, transpose is a slight dps loss. The only thing that might make it more beneficial to use transpose is if you have inadequate spell speed and are having trouble casting thunder in every umbral phase.

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Well they claimed they get 2 extra fire IV and I do not see how. If you are talking opener where you have convert, that puts you 6 fire IV with 300 ish left mp, there is no room for it, past that i am not sure what it may be referring to. My friend says:

I am really confused with the claim. The times I am forced to use transpose due to misjudging of mp (plz remove server tic) like say I got 5 mp left, transpose and blizzard IV/ thunder depending on time left with enochain. But since this requires 3 tics to fill mp, you need cast something else on top of that, thundercloud or blizzard I to do something to let your mp fill.

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Originally Posted by Dzian

Any umbrel let's you blizzard 4.

Some fights I'll flare transpose blizzard 4 and go back into aoe fire 2flare to keep enochain up. I don't think the small 5% increase covers the blizzard 4 cast time but sometimes pays off.

Sohm al hard for example I'll Enochain aoe the trash before second boss toss in a blizzard 4 after flare and transpose and when those 2 worms pop up. Means I can burn them down so much faster with fire 4s and still have a fresh Enochain ready for the boss.

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This is about single target, not aoe, of course BLMs transpose for that.

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

Well they claimed they get 2 extra fire IV and I do not see how. If you are talking opener where you have convert, that puts you 6 fire IV with 300 ish left mp, there is no room for it, past that i am not sure what it may be referring to.

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Yeah, short of using convert (which I already get 6 casts with) or an HQ max Ether (which I also use when convert isn't up for the first round of an enochian) I don't see how that is possible.

Unless, I suppose, they have a ridiculous amount of extra piety from something...

Not to offend but Ice 3 is much better for reasons others have stated. It does actually speed up your next spell and using transpose (rather then saving it for later in a fight) i would think is a dps loss. I hate math....
You could bliz 3> thunder 1 and your mp should be full by then