Should Summoner...

Should Summoner have been able to unlock more egi primals as we progressed through the story like we did before with our current summons? Though I'm not sure what unlockable abilities we get as Summoner through levels 50-60, isn't it strange we haven't been given any new primal egi to unlock?

I know that Ifrit, Titan and Garuda egi cover all the basics of basics when it comes to dpsing, tanking and long range casting. But that doesn't mean we couldn't have been given more primal egi who could have covered more than the basic skills and more, not to mention expanding on what the three summonings we already have can do.

Isn't it silly to have a job class called "Summoner" when all we can do is summon three primal egi and basically just debuff enemies?

Summoner class is supposed to allow you to summon varieties of allies to help you take down enemies depending on what you and or your fellow party memeber's needs and requirments are.

Summoner needs to be made more into what the title claims it is, a "Summoner" and not just a glorified debuffing job class with a few support summons. If it were made into that, then it would truly be a job class worthy of it's title.

There's a lore reason they give for this. On one of your summoner job quests you attempt to obtain Ramuh Egi, but fail to do so. I forgot the exact reasoning but it has something to do with limits on your aether or something like that.

That's why instead of summoning a new egi, you merely channel the aetheric energy of Bahamut for Dreadwyrm trance.

It'd be very odd for them to suddenly backtrack job lore

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Originally Posted by Ashelia_Ferron

There's a lore reason they give for this. On one of your summoner job quests you attempt to obtain Ramuh Egi, but fail to do so. I forgot the exact reasoning but it has something to do with limits on your aether or something like that.

That's why instead of summoning a new egi, you merely channel the aetheric energy of Bahamut for Dreadwyrm trance.

It'd be very odd for them to suddenly backtrack job lore

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Speaking of the Ramuh Egi, I wonder why they haven't done the Summoner/Scholar glamour system yet. They keep hinting at it i.e the ruby carbuncle lamp, but I thought it was supposed to be out by now?

It's too late for this stuff. They may build on the Trance stuff or potentially add another Egi (though I don't know what role it'd fill) in later expansions, but the Summoner job as presented in FFXIV is really strange when compared with past iterations of Final Fantasy summoners. I would've rather they performed short (maybe 2-5 GCDs) summons of primals to the field that gave you some manner of control over the primal, dealing damage by proxy in a more elaborate manner than setting Ifrit-egi on Sic and proceeding to poison everything. When did summoners become poison experts?

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

Speaking of the Ramuh Egi, I wonder why they haven't done the Summoner/Scholar glamour system yet. They keep hinting at it i.e the ruby carbuncle lamp, but I thought it was supposed to be out by now?

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It starts rolling out in 3.4. Scholar was not mentioned in the glamour process. I asked in the upcoming letter to the producer (page 2,) so hopefully they'll answer whether sch will be included.

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Originally Posted by seekified

Setting Ifrit-egi on Sic and proceeding to poison everything. When did summoners become poison experts?

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Traditionally they are healers or black mages. Summoning doesn't substantiate the entirety of any summoner's tool kit throughout the series. It's ffxivs rendention of it.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

Speaking of the Ramuh Egi, I wonder why they haven't done the Summoner/Scholar glamour system yet. They keep hinting at it i.e the ruby carbuncle lamp, but I thought it was supposed to be out by now?

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Has been said in live letter
Glamour Ill be available but introduce one at a time in each patch
First one merely supposed to come for 3.4

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Originally Posted by Ashelia_Ferron

There's a lore reason they give for this. On one of your summoner job quests you attempt to obtain Ramuh Egi, but fail to do so. I forgot the exact reasoning but it has something to do with limits on your aether or something like that.

That's why instead of summoning a new egi, you merely channel the aetheric energy of Bahamut for Dreadwyrm trance.

It'd be very odd for them to suddenly backtrack job lore

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Couldn't that be fixed later in the game? I mean, if our character has aether limits, wouldn't having something that could channel the extra aether required for more summons work? Like a crystal of some sort, similar to the white auracite used to seal and destory the Ascians, only it absorbs and stores either the aether flowing around Eoreza or our character's own aether overtime.

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Originally Posted by Soge01

Couldn't that be fixed later in the game? I mean, if our character has aether limits, wouldn't having something that could channel the extra aether required for more summons work? Like a crystal of some sort, similar to the white auracite used to seal and destory the Ascians, only it absorbs and stores either the aether flowing around Eoreza or our character's own aether overtime.

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Just looked up more Summoner lore.

I suggest reading this thread on Reddit.

https://m.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comment...mmoners_power/


Also it is highly doubtful they'd make changes even outside lore reasons (and instead for gameplay reasons) because then you're scrapping everything the class has been built on so far and that would be quite a drastic change for something that's been around for years

Thanks for the link. :D Gonna read it in a bit, but to point out something first. I'm not saying what Summoner is now should be thrown to the side for an all new version. What I'd like to see is Summoner build up from where it is now to become a true Summoner, if that makes sense.

I don't mind it's debuffing abilities, but Summoner should feel like a Summoner and not just a debuffer.

Though lore says there is a limitation right now summoning new egi, that doesn't mean that won't change in the future. Lore can change after all, and I don't mean rewriting it either, but letting it progess/evolve over time to get rid of it's limits on summoning.

I also feel from what you told me about limits on egi summoning in your first post that FFXIV is hinting more egi summons will be appearing at some point later, but just not at this time due to lore limitations and maybe something else. So I'm hoping I'm right about that and we get more sometime later in the future. ^^

I think some folks that replied aren't being exactly responsive to your question, instead answering a question of whether SE has said anything about it or how viable or not it is. But to answer YOUR wuestion, I totally agree. I think summoner should have some more egi unlocks. I'm used to summoners from FFT, etc, and they are truly summoners in those games.