I don't like the Ifrit battle: rant warning

First off let me just say im a tank.

rant one: spending so much time leveling other classes to be a good tank.
took a long time to get sac 3 and 2nd wind.

rant two: the iffrit battle is very unforgiving. if you lag even for a sec and miss Sentinel you have wiped or you will soon.

rant three: i dont like the fact its more about where you stand and how fast you can move on a laggy as hell server then about stats, enfeebles, and debuffs

rant four: what the hell is up with shield? you cant even use it because you cant block ifrit. As we all know you cant parry with a shield on.

rant five: so tired of the 8 man only content. in my linkshell most the time more then 8 show up and sometimes we make 2 parties. thats fine and all but most the time someone always gets left out

rant six: animation lock

rant seven: ive equiped more vit and def since 1.19 and it dosent realy do jack he still hits me for the same amount every time.

rant eight: even if you win you might not get what you came for so start back over and go thru all the bs again.

YES, I HAVE BEAT IT MORE THEN ONCE

i just wish it was more like tactics and less like crisis core
i like the fact he is hard i just feel its over the top with all the bs and i feel its more like a wow battle then a final fantasy battle
this content is not fun to me so im not gonna play anymore till a new patch hits
not that anyone cares

I'm with you on the crappy lag and horrible loot system.

i see less ifrit and more sistem issues.
you're perfectly right thou, but we all know will require time for animation lock and lag

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i just wish it was more like tactics and less like crisis core
i like the fact he is hard i just feel its over the top with all the bs and i feel its more like a wow battle then a final fantasy battle

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I knew it would come down to this nonsense.

"I like the fact he is hard i just feel it's more like a hard battle than an easy battle".

Now we need a fanboy to come down here to tell me how HARD final fantasy is.

This fight is probably hardest in the whole franchise. You can't just grind through it. baw haw

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Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi

i see less ifrit and more sistem issues.
you're perfectly right thou, but we all know will require time for animation lock and lag

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thats why ill wait till next patch.

Betelgeuzah you shouldnt even be on these forums
http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...icuid=12102310
thats pathetic

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Originally Posted by slipmac

Betelgeuzah you shouldnt even be on these forums
http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...icuid=12102310
thats pathetic

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you are so cool.

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Originally Posted by slipmac

First off let me just say im a tank.

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Cool, so am I. Or, at least I try to be, lol.

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Originally Posted by slipmac

rant one: spending so much time leveling other classes to be a good tank.
took a long time to get sac 3 and 2nd wind.

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Agreed. Leveling Disciples of Magic for Cure spells, I can understand, but there are a lot of moves that some jobs learn that make me wonder why they aren't on Gladiator instead. Why does Marauder need Defender and enmity-generating moves when it's not the primary tanking class? Why do Pugilist and Lancer both get healing moves like Second Wind and Speed/Life Surge? Why does Archer get Decoy? Why does Pugilist get Accomplice? All of these seem like tanking moves to me, yet they're learned by jobs that aren't really designed for tanking in the first place...

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Originally Posted by slipmac

rant two: the iffrit battle is very unforgiving. if you lag even for a sec and miss Sentinel you have wiped or you will soon.

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I agree that lag can be a big problem in that fight, seeing how it's very action-based.

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Originally Posted by slipmac

rant three: i dont like the fact its more about where you stand and how fast you can move on a laggy as hell server then about stats, enfeebles, and debuffs

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I thought the Ifrit fight was fun and different due to its action-based elements (having to actually move around and dodge things rather than stand in one spot and let your stats determine everything), but I do see it being a problem when the game as a whole isn't really designed around action-based combat.

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Originally Posted by slipmac

rant four: what the hell is up with shield? you cant even use it because you cant block ifrit. As we all know you cant parry with a shield on.

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Not being able to parry AND block as a GLA is stupid, definitely agree there.

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Originally Posted by slipmac

rant five: so tired of the 8 man only content. in my linkshell most the time more then 8 show up and sometimes we make 2 parties. thats fine and all but most the time someone always gets left out

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Also agreed. I'm glad they at least adjusted the required party sizes for the raids, but I guess they thought that Ifrit would be too difficult with less than 8 people. At least there's no restrictions on the Beastmen camps though - my LS and another LS teamed up one day just so we could get to the NM's at the end. We must've had at least 50 people, lol.

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Originally Posted by slipmac

rant six: animation lock

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A million times, this. If SE plans on implementing more action-based fights, then our characters can't be forced to stand still while performing moves. They'll have to do something similar to what they did with bringing out/putting away our weapons.

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Originally Posted by slipmac

rant seven: ive equiped more vit and def since 1.19 and it dosent realy do jack he still hits me for the same amount every time.

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Maybe Fire Resistance would help? I can't really help you on that because SE has still kinda left us in the dark on the specifics of what each stat does exactly... :(

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Originally Posted by slipmac

rant eight: even if you win you might not get what you came for so start back over and go thru all the bs again.

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I don't see why SE made it to where certain unique/untradable drops don't go to your loot list now, it's retarded.

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Originally Posted by slipmac

YES, I HAVE BEAT IT MORE THEN ONCE

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My LS hasn't even beat Ifrit yet. One reason is because we simply don't have any Lv50 Lancers, which is sad because fights shouldn't have to rely on certain specific job setups in order to be completed effectively. That, and the other stuff you mentioned doesn't help either.

I just want to say that I know how you feel, as it's frustrating for me as well, especially having not even gotten all the way through the fight. Even more so as a Gladiator due to all the messed up stats like enmity, blocking, and parrying...

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Originally Posted by Tetsaru

Cool, so am I. Or, at least I try to be, lol.



Agreed. Leveling Disciples of Magic for Cure spells, I can understand, but there are a lot of moves that some jobs learn that make me wonder why they aren't on Gladiator instead. Why does Marauder need Defender and enmity-generating moves when it's not the primary tanking class? Why do Pugilist and Lancer both get healing moves like Second Wind and Speed/Life Surge? Why does Archer get Decoy? Why does Pugilist get Accomplice? All of these seem like tanking moves to me, yet they're learned by jobs that aren't really designed for tanking in the first place...



I agree that lag can be a big problem in that fight, seeing how it's very action-based.



I thought the Ifrit fight was fun and different due to its action-based elements (having to actually move around and dodge things rather than stand in one spot and let your stats determine everything), but I do see it being a problem when the game as a whole isn't really designed around action-based combat.



Not being able to parry AND block as a GLA is stupid, definitely agree there.



Also agreed. I'm glad they at least adjusted the required party sizes for the raids, but I guess they thought that Ifrit would be too difficult with less than 8 people. At least there's no restrictions on the Beastmen camps though - my LS and another LS teamed up one day just so we could get to the NM's at the end. We must've had at least 50 people, lol.



A million times, this. If SE plans on implementing more action-based fights, then our characters can't be forced to stand still while performing moves. They'll have to do something similar to what they did with bringing out/putting away our weapons.



Maybe Fire Resistance would help? I can't really help you on that because SE has still kinda left us in the dark on the specifics of what each stat does exactly... :(



I don't see why SE made it to where certain unique/untradable drops don't go to your loot list now, it's retarded.



My LS hasn't even beat Ifrit yet. One reason is because we simply don't have any Lv50 Lancers, which is sad because fights shouldn't have to rely on certain specific job setups in order to be completed effectively. That, and the other stuff you mentioned doesn't help either.

I just want to say that I know how you feel, as it's frustrating for me as well, especially having not even gotten all the way through the fight. Even more so as a Gladiator due to all the messed up stats like enmity, blocking, and parrying...

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i just said this somewhere else, but you are dead wrong on marauder and pugilist not needing those skills. Getting hate and handling hate are integral parts to making those jobs make sense, and second wind (healing ability) is a keystone of the martial artist/monk archetype not just in FF but in most appearances of martial arts fighters in games/stories.

i think a lot of you gladiators dont get that you were not, and really should not, be the only class that can tank/have any defensive abilities. Play marauder and pugilist more, and you ll see that having these skills is integral to half of the playstyle they present.

Glad specialty is one on one damage mitigating tanking, with a focus on using a shield, the problem is they currently screwed up your shield play.

mrd is a dmg/tank brute like charachter, focused on multiple monster tanking while doing dmg

pug is single target dps/tank focused on evasion, debilitation and distraction as well as hp recovery rather than damage mitigation.


now when you as an overall tank want to incorporate some of these tanking styles into your own, then it makes sense you should have to level those jobs (or study those type of playstyles)

like getting warmonger from the aoe tank class, or getting the enmityless distraction skill of taunt, or getting the mind over body self healing power of a martial artist

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

This fight is probably hardest in the whole franchise. You can't just grind through it. baw haw

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Everything but XI and XIV aside, really?!