MCH PVP Nerfs!? Really!?

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Q: I’m excited for season 1 of the Feast to start, but I’m worried that certain jobs will become stronger or weaker with the adjustments that take place in Patch 3.25. Will season 1 begin as planned from Patch 3.25?

"A: I previously posted the the adjustment plans on the forums, but in Patch 3.25, which is scheduled to be released next week, we will be reducing the match times making it so the battle can be concluded at a quicker pace. Additionally, we will be making adjustments to the aspects that have been leading to long and drawn out matches.

We will be reducing the number of walls that often disturb line of sight, increasing the frequency in which the adrenaline rush box appears and make it easier to destroy, as well as other elements to make the pace of the game quicker.

To coincide with this, we will also be making job adjustments. We’re aware that machinists have a high amount of burst damage, so we’ll be making adjustments to this. "

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The class is actually great and desirable in an event, and you're going to nerf it!? Where was this eagerness in Seal Rock on WAR/SMN.... this is ridiculous. The class is just fine, if you're looking to nerf DPS classes then you should be looking at the meta of DRG/MNK or even WAR's out put for a tank. Picking on the MCH when he's finally in the spotlight is garbage.

probably can't have the MCH being the master class in both pvp and pve :/

^^ Eh it's more FotM because it's actually decent, and contributes to the party greater then before. But it isn't broken, or over the top, it's no stronger then some of the top DPS classes in PVP, which. Frankly for how much there is to do on the class, it should be. This is just some gut reaction adjustment, that shouldn't be done, and should be thought out more carefully.

They already murdered my SMN, my PVP main. But now you're going for my main class?! #DeadToMeSE

keep in mind they might be more aggressive with nerfs etc cuz of the season approaching.

MCH burst annihilates BRD and (if played well) DRG, so I wouldn't expect anything different from lowering MCH to match BRD in PVP. BRD is still perfectly capable of killing you in a matter of seconds in PVP.

How is it any different from DRG or MNK? Sure maybe BRD trails by a little (not much), but it isn't so significantly game breaking like the 3 step SMN nuke that was a guaranteed kill 95% of the time. It's just BS, like they talk about making it so fights go faster, but then they pull this crap and make it so fights stalemate more by nerfing classes to be weaker.

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Originally Posted by Lilith_Merquise

The class is actually great and desirable in an event, and you're going to nerf it!? Where was this eagerness in Seal Rock on WAR/SMN.... this is ridiculous. The class is just fine, if you're looking to nerf DPS classes then you should be looking at the meta of DRG/MNK or even WAR's out put for a tank. Picking on the MCH when he's finally in the spotlight is garbage.

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Warrior damage has already been nerfed by roughly 30%, the only reason why you see Warriors out put so much damage is because they are largely ignored. NIN is getting buffed to be on par with DRG/MNK (hopefully). Close range penalty negation only made MCH's over the top burst, even stronger.

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Originally Posted by Houston009

Warrior damage has already been nerfed by roughly 30%, the only reason why you see Warriors out put so much damage is because they are largely ignored. NIN is getting buffed to be on par with DRG/MNK (hopefully). Close range penalty negation only made MCH's over the top burst, even stronger.

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when was that 30% nerf? Not saying it's not true, but I must of missed that. And idk dude, I still get hit by a fell cleave and it's damn near half my HP. And I agree, NIN could us a bit of Love even though they have some gap closers and what not. They should be able to invis mid fight to utilize their abilities, and range DPS would have to use the detector ability more often. Idk, if they removed the negation I would be fine with that because frankly it didn't do much anyway. But to nerf any of its abilities (except maybe wild fire) would be just down right rage inducing for me personally.

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Originally Posted by Lilith_Merquise

when was that 30% nerf?

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The VIT change in 3.2 also changed the damage calculation, so you end up doing about 30% less damage than you did in 3.15. It's uniform across all three tanks, 30% less even in DPS stance.

If the nerf is mild I think it would be.. fair. I'm guessing Between-the-Eyes is going to be hit with a potency nerf or cooldown increase, maybe 150 (180 with trait) to 120 (150 with trait)? That's what I would do anyway.

We have pretty ridiculous burst when cooldowns are up - and consistent burst too now that GB removes the close ranged portion of the damage penalty.

That said it's a very fine line because burst is the only thing MCH has going for it in PvP. Unlike BRDs and SMNs who are far superior multidotters, or melee who can just sit on a target, our sustained DPS and ability to pressure outside of cooldowns in PvP is downright pitiful and probably the worst in the game barring the tanks and healers. You will not even be able to harass casters due to the 15% of HP interrupt threshold.