Job Alignment Chart

My views on job alignment (based on party roles and class description ideologies) The closer to the left indicates lawfulness whereas the closer to the right indicates Chaos. Thoughts?

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For use of Chaos, Evil, Good, and Lawful, read: http://www.easydamus.com/alignment.html

Reasoning in comments

EDIT: WHM and PLD flipped, MCH true neutral, BRD possibly Chaotic neutral.

WHM: 100% moral and protects others. White magic is powerful, but powerful because it's meant fully to help and maintain order and life

PLD: Protects others at the expense of himself and doesn't deal much damage (good vs evil). More towards chaotic because tank leader

SCH: Neutral-chaotic because sch has self-sufficient DPS moves that strays away from healing, but good because of sharlayan respect for life at the risk of being turned into a Tonberry

AST: New and risky that play into it being chaotic, yet still follow the order of healing. Good because the buffs tend to be for the party and they hardly dps.

BRD: incapable of being Chaotic neutral because of low bard DPS. Chaotic because they're not archers, chose to risk archery on his own whim for poetry. Good because 1. low dps output and 2. buff/respect for party

DRG: Protectors of Ishgard for the Holy See = lawful. Neutral because they respect human life, but typically not the life of dragons

MCH: A last hope, MCHs also protect citizens of Ishgard, but further towards chaotic because they aren't traditional, dealing with the skysteel manufactory under Cid

MNK: true neutral because it can protect, raise healing magicks, hold up a party, etc, but also value stacks higher than the healer's potency and are incredibly strong. Closer to lawful because they're more traditional and trusting.

SMN: Although summoning primals is seen as summoning demons, they still do it in order to deal incredible DPS, but it's for the sake of the party. They disregard many traditions and values regarding primals in order to use their skills. Neutral because they can summon titan and generally honour a primal's essence.

First of all you can edit your post to bypass the 1000 character limit. Second of all, I'll be editing this post in a minute to dispute something....

EDIT: My dispute is over your positioning of MCH. They fall more into True Neutral rather than Lawful Neutral. This is because yes, while they do work to defend the people of Ishgard, they're more focused on being able to defend themselves and their close loved ones when no one else will. They're also working to be considered equals rather than lesser citizens, which implies a goal for personal gain, (even if it's a noble one), which leans more into Chaotic territory. They're not necessarily Chaotic enough that they're attempting to overthrow the government, but they're not Lawful enough that they agree with everything that's done. MCH also don't fall into either the Good category, because they're willing to take matters into their own hands to protect themselves and others despite having no official authority, and are willing to use force and scare tactics, (to an extent), to do so, nor do they fall into the Evil category because they aren't actively trying to assert their power over others and will attempt diplomatic approaches as often as violent ones. All of this leads to an alignment of True Neutral from my point of view, because they are neither Lawful nor Chaotic, Good nor Evil. Their goals are about protecting themselves and their family while working against the "normal" rules of society to gain respect in Ishgard, and they are willing to use either violence or diplomacy to do it. They're also not necessarily vested in any "noble goal" truly as much as they are in trying to lead their lives however they want....

Also, they don't work under Cid in any regard. Skysteel Manufactury and Garlond Ironworks are completely separate entities even if they are on friendly terms and will cooperate.....

DRK: controversial. Lawful closer to neutral b/c it is for the good of all, yet go forgotten and can be taken over by vices; they even don't exactly respect the law, but do their best for the good of everyone. Evil because they don't exactly respect others, yet they still protect them.

NIN: Neutral because they stole, but from the gov't enemies. They obey authority, but only if it helps them. Evil because of high DPS and independence.

WAR: Neutral closer to chaos because, although they protect as a tank, they are still insane and new + self sufficient. Reckless, but still tanks. Evil because of their advanced DPS and STR-based tanking rather than VIT.

BLM: They harbour dangerous, devastating power for their own good (evil) and actively use wicked black magic, which does not tend to align with the law.

LOL I didn't know that. I thought I had to do it this way

First forum thread

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Originally Posted by Alexz

More towards chaotic because tank leader

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Definately not, PLDs are most definately lawful good, everything about them is about law and order, and their oath.

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Originally Posted by Alexz

incapable of being Chaotic neutral because of low bard DPS. Chaotic because they're not archers, chose to risk archery on his own whim for poetry. Good because 1. low dps output and 2. buff/respect for party

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I agree, but not for the reasons you say. Bards are true neutral because all they want is to play music and be guided by the song, they have no agenda.

Other than this I would put WAR under Chaotic evil because they are pure wrath, not organised evil

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Originally Posted by Gamer3427

My dispute is over your positioning of MCH. They fall more into True Neutral rather than Lawful Neutral.
Also, they don't work under Cid in any regard. Skysteel Manufactury and Garlond Ironworks are completely separate entities even if they are on friendly terms and will cooperate.....

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I agree actually. That is good reasoning. I haven't delved too deep into understanding MCH, but everything in the story did represent what you wrote
Also, about the Cid thing, I did not make that very clear. I was referencing the game description of them, which is "Following the example of Cid Garlond, who has demonstrated the potency of magitek, the Skysteel Manufactory works tirelessly on the development of advanced armaments. As new and devastating weapons are brought to the fray, a new class of champion arises to wield them―the machinist."

Actually, now that you have all your reasons up, I have quite a bit of dispute with why you positioned most of these where you did. I agree with the majority of the positioning, but your reasoning and knowledge of the classes themselves seem to be a bit wrong in many cases.....

EDIT: NOTE - I may be off on my reasoning as well, since I lack full knowledge of the classes. I also don't consider "damage output" as a viable reason for why they're "good vs evil" in terms of alignment, since if that was the case then WAR, SMN, BLM, DRG, and MNK would have to be automatically considered "evil" because they have high damage output, even when it doesn't fit with their role from a lore perspective....

WHM: Lawful Good - Dedicate their lives to healing others, and happily do so to great effectiveness, but are still bound by the laws of the elementals, (at least from a lore perspective). They strive to heal others and restore life wherever they go.

PLD: Lawful Good - Entirely dedicated to protecting others at the cost of themselves, and upholding the law in general.

SCH: Neutral Good - Equal parts offense and defense. They're dedicated to healing others and protecting their comrades, but were also the foremost battle tacticians of their time. They seek knowledge and understanding, while using it to both benefit themselves and others and defeat those that pose a threat to their allies.

AST: Chaotic Good - Dedicated to healing others, relying on fate to determine how they do so. However, they also actively attempt to defy fate by manipulating time to change what has been done to bring harm to their allies, as well as denying some paths that are given to them and forcing fate to choose a different one, (in the form of discarding certain cards and redrawing).

BRD: Neutral Good - They want to bring joy to others with their songs, and help their allies in battle, but simply go with the flow as often as not, neither striving to uphold an ideal or defy it.

DRG: Lawful Neutral - They strive to protect others and uphold the laws of their home, but are willing to do so at any cost to the point of zealotry.

MCH: True Neutral - (More in depth explained above.) They simply want to live their lives as they wish, defending themselves and their loved ones, and are willing to either resort to violence/scare tactics, or diplomacy depending on the situation.

MNK: Neutral Good - I honestly can't speak much on this regard, since I don't know the class that well, but the feel I get from them is that they're more in the Neutral Good category because they are opposed to evil and corruption and seek to purify their own mind and body. They may be Lawful Good in actuality, depending on how strictly they uphold their personal morals, but again, I can't speak much on this class from a lore perspective so I'm just putting them as Neutral Good for now.

SMN: Chaotic Neutral - They seek power and knowledge, as well as destructive forces, but are more or less seeking said power and knowledge for it's own sake. They're willing to demonstrate this power against their foes, and are willing to do what they have to in order to become more powerful however, so they fall into more Chaotic territory than True Neutral territory.

DRK: Lawful Evil - They're willing to do what it takes to protect others and uphold their own personal moral code, and won't hesitate to resort to violence and rage as a method to uphold their morals.

NIN: Neutral Evil - They're willing to kill and break the law with no compulsion, but only if it is the will of their current employer or is necessary to complete their mission. They don't do evil for evil's sake, or to uphold some value, but rather because that is what the task at hand requires.

WAR: Chaotic Evil - They simply do as they wish because they love battle and letting their emotions drive them forward to defeat their foes. They seek to draw their foes to them, protecting others, but out of a desire for more conflict rather than a desire to help those around them.

BLM: Neutral Evil - They enjoy destruction and employ less than reputable methods, but they don't seek to destroy for the sake of destruction itself. Like MNK, I can't speak much on this, since I have little knowledge of the lore of the class itself.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

Definately not, PLDs are most definately lawful good, everything about them is about law and order, and their oath.



I agree, but not for the reasons you say. Bards are true neutral because all they want is to play music and be guided by the song, they have no agenda.

Other than this I would put WAR under Chaotic evil because they are pure wrath, not organised evil

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1. Agreed. I actually should have switched the WHM and PLD positions.

2. I agree on some parts, but not with being neutral vs Chaotic. I believe they are chaotic because they are free spirited -- they are a new spawn off of archers, and chaotic would be free spirited like a bard. I do agree with the neutral vs good on some parts because they do deal damage and are not focused 100% on the team, but they also don't seem to deal enough damage for that. Instead, they seem to have more buffs than damage output + they're support dps