I figure it'd probably help square enix if we have a consolidated thread that showcases how many players are unhappy with the current state of Paladin in Heavensward and have chosen to abandon the job as a result, since they apparently think it's not a huge deal and have as such not even said a word about the current state of PLD.
Having switched over to Warrior, I must say that it's amazing how better designed the class is. Even on top of the fact it kicks paladin's ass for DPS in all content by a huge margin while still being able to tank all content, it just has so much better cohension in its kit - all of its abilities synergize, and there is not a single ability I do not use on at least a semi-frequent basis (okay holmgang is a exception that ability sucks bollocks at anything besides surviving tankbusters).
Meanwhile, Paladin has a plethora of nigh useless buttons (Cover, Tempered Will), nearly useless ones (Clemency, Shield Bash), and ones that are just questionable as all hell (Spirits Within doing less damage with lower HP on a class designed to take hits? Sheltron in a meta of magical tankbusters?), and some flat out incredibly stupid decisions (Rage of Halone and Savage Blade still being behind on aggro multipliers, Circle of Scorn still being our ONLY AoE damage).
ps square enix why does paladin do less damage than dark knights when dark knights are like paladins but for magical damage, and why does the supposedly defensive tank only get a str down debuff in a magical damage meta, while the damage tank (war) gets the universal damage down debuff???
Post here if you're a paladin who job changed, and why
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09-05-2015, 12:18 PMnyttynPost here if you're a paladin who job changed, and why
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09-05-2015, 12:39 PMVivizaThis won't help SE even slightly. Worse, it will paint an unrealistic projection of what people actually care about. A thread on the forums is obviously going to be bandwagoned by people who agree with the premise of the post.Quote:
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SE can pull the real numbers whenever they want. Which jobs are people using? Which jobs are clearing turns of Alex? These are what matters. -
09-05-2015, 01:04 PMTadus
I have said this before, PLD does not need a damage buff, or so I feel. He is a PLD I understand he is shield n sword so he must make less damage. SE would not want to match PLD's dps to Drk or War because that would be catastrophic. Instead, rebuild PLD, and fix many of its current CDs (some post say which ones), and send him to the fun department.
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09-05-2015, 01:10 PMSwordswornFox
I love my Paladin, and I'm tired of the all the threads like this. If SE wants to change or tweak us 'dins or not it's their call. And if they do it will be off of real numbers like Viviza said and not how we feel a job is doing. If you don't like a job, don't play it.
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09-05-2015, 01:16 PMTadusahh but here is the thing, you love it cause you still have stuff to see on PLD, and you haven't seen the full potential of PLD yet. Me and nyttyn already know everything from PLD, me and her and levels 60. We know what changes need and what improvements he needs. Of course you don't feel like he needs changes lol... YETQuote:
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09-05-2015, 01:44 PMSwordswornFoxI know I'll love the PLD even at 60, you know why...its a tank! I like all 3 tanks for how they play. And how the Paladin plays won't really change much with a few more abilities. A few more defensive options and an extra part to dps rotation won't really change how the Paladin has played so far. My dark knight and warrior are also sub 60, are you going to say that since 'I don't know their full potential' I can't really say I like the job?Even if I have enough pieces of the puzzle to be able to extrapolate where they're heading and if I should hang them up because of that?Quote:
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I'll reiterate my position: SE has the real numbers, if they're noticing a consistent problem with a job they will make changes to it. Even if those numbers aren't in line with what our perceptions are. My perception is all three tanks are enjoyable for what they are, and play what you have fun playing regardless of others perceptions -
09-05-2015, 01:45 PMnyttynYoshi P has literally said they listen to complaints. http://i.imgur.com/XLvOVRy.jpg I mean, this is out of context, and I could go on for pages about why PLD is in a awful place right now but people better at typing and further into the raid scene than I have already elaborated immensely on those issues.Quote:
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Yes, this thread will be bandwagoned, but that's the entire point - PLD is sufficiently bad that I feel the current state of dev radio silence (seeing as how they've commented on DRK, AST, and MNK but not PLD) to be worrisome, and the hope is to raise noise in an attempt to show the devs that the current state of PLD is inexcusable. and it's not like there's a shortage of people who're circlejerking that PLD is fine when it's really not. I'm complaining because they've yet to shown they've heard the worry, and I have reason to believe it's more than just a personal issue - both in the fact PLD is really abysmal right now, and with how many people who're in Alexander complaining about the job or how more and more groups are turning toward WAR/DRK.
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09-05-2015, 01:52 PMSwordswornFoxSo just because I'm not a 60 'din, I'm not valid?Quote:
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09-05-2015, 01:56 PMTadusI get you, I totally do but there is bias when you say you like all tanks. When you play all three, you don't get bored because you are testing a new class, you wont see any mistakes. I wont lie, when I was your PLD Lvl I said " PLD is going to be OP now, there is nothing he is going to fail at." Now that I have played him for some time I can analyze where the flaws are. It is not like all the PLD who have posted on the forums are lying and just want to get buff lol. If PLD were truly good like you said, heck I wouldn't be writing this.Quote:
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09-05-2015, 02:11 PMSwordswornFoxI know Paladins aren't perfect, neither are Darks or War(even though I know some people will blast me for this point of view). The level of complaining seems to exceed what is reality, because if things were truly as bad for paladin's as all these threads would have us believe, SE would have already stepped in.Would I mind some of the suggested Paladin changes in the various threads; no I wouldn't because some of them would smooth out even rough edges I've seen. But they aren't truly needed. I'm all for the discussions on tweaks to various classes, too a point; I just feel its gotten whiney for the sake of being whiney and people should just let SE run the numbers for a bit and see if changes should be made.Quote:
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