vid - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vek7_9mNec
detailed pics - http://imgur.com/a/o1Hpb
hm, since there is alot to discuss why each thing i did was in that order, its probably best for you to either check the 57sec video out first and check out imgur 4 images of my rotation.
but i guess il just add same description from youtube vid here, but incase u dont understand just check out the 4 pictures and youl know why i did what i did.
[Rotation goes non-gb hotshot first to get the longest and weakest buff in first(5% n 30secs), the reason for not putting gb up first is so that i can squeeze in Autoattacks during my buffing stage as you can see, and starting off with a attack first also triggers my turret to start attacking. [whereas if you just prebuffed, you would lose autoattack + turret attack + time spent just buffing up and being unable to make the buffs last till end]. Then goes normal/usual rotation but i put GB up right before leadshot to increase that potency. As you continue down the video you will see that my buffs last all the way to the end and buffs the second clean shot aswell, I've also added in Feint because its a insta-cast attack that you can definitely fit into your WF rotation. The only thing I left out of rotation was Quick reload because if i had added that in, i would lose anyone of my buffed damaged attacks instead of just +20 potency, so i saved for end to start split-slug combo after WF. *Also note that since QR is only 20sec CD, I usually stack 2-3 before engaging bosses, but i didnt for this video, but know that you can buff up your hot and leadshot and possibly push reload back one shot so if you had 3 reloaded then you will still have the last buffed up clean shot* (didnt do it for this video because showing basic rotation)
pros - start attacking right away w/o GB on + turret helps out
- not wasting time standing there pre-buffing or walking buffing towards boss(2-3secs is alot of time wasted especially in WF)
- Buffs last till end, applying hotshot ends after all my other stuff drops aswell, so either buff up your hotshot or buff up your last few GCD
- Feint will help squeeze in that extra lil damage at end b4 WF pops due to insta cast
Cons - Im on ps4, so i dont have a parser so i cant tell you how this works out long term, but thinking about it mathematically, it makes total sense to not waste buff time when you and your turret could be attacking at same time, also makes alot of sense that your buffs will last till end of WF for bigger damage, but if anyone parses me wrong then let me know. like i said, i cant think of anything wrong with it right now. but im no pro, just tryna change up normal rotation.
I've included picture roll of which abilities i used and the time duration of each one from beginning till end of WF leading up to normal 1-2-3]
*also added in two standard rotation vids plus detailed pics*
- W/O GB untill leadshot prebuffs -
video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CAk...ctjkdTltrpb1Wn
pic - http://imgur.com/gallery/NVtZX
- Starting w/ GB + prebuff
video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_skQ...ctjkdTltrpb1Wn
pic - http://imgur.com/gallery/b6k7g/new
also note that im not comparing WF damages here, im stating the fact that if you tweak your openers a little, you can gain extra benefits. I dont have parser and i didnt do same thing over 50x eaach besides normal rotation. but everything is same except where you put your buffs.
Revised McH opener (Rebel style)
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09-03-2015, 05:53 PMKilluaKhanRevised McH opener (Rebel style)
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09-03-2015, 07:10 PMAmiaze
That was quite a bit of damage output all at once. My only concern with that combo would be, as you said, DPS during a boss fight since most of your cooldowns were used earlier on. But I'm still learning how to DPS, so I'm probably wrong.
I do like that Hotshot didn't fall off until the end. That's my biggest problem during a frantic Wildfire combo. I'll sometimes have to pause to throw Hotshot back on, and God forbid Rapid Fire isn't active anymore. I'd love to try this string and see how it works. When Heavensward first released, I'd tried slipping in and out of Gauss Barrel during fights to see how well it worked out as far as damage output. For me, it didn't. I'm glad to see that someone is adopting that method. -
09-06-2015, 06:19 PMOskurr
@Amiaze, you should never have to use Hot Shot in the middle of a Wildfire.
Also, do you mind giving the order of attacks in text and in order, rather than having us read through LQ images and vid? I can test if so. -
09-07-2015, 08:59 AMKilluaKhan
@Amiaze - usually our biggest hard hitting attack would be our wildfire burst, so to use our cooldowns on normal attack without WF is a lost of 25% of extra damage you could have done in WF, and since our buffs cooldowns last around same time as the next WF, you try to line them up for the big bursts. but honestly, this rotation was optimized for alexander n savage raids, i dont dun with mch anymore cuz my smn/nin clears those way faster. so i dont have too much to say about normal bosses.
@oskurr - yes i was jus being lazy, i will update the main post asap but exact rotation and details on why i did what i did. -
09-07-2015, 10:54 AMAmiazeOh, I know. That only happens when I goof up by not throwing Hotshot back on after it falls off/I allow it to fall off to begin with. Or if I simply don't pay attention to its time remaining before beginning my rotation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oskurr
Makes sense. I try to only use only use Hawk eye rather than both of them so that I can still have Raging Strikes available once Wildfire is done. For instance, I always use this combo when attacking Bismark, but I'll Raging Strikes available to use on the adds so that they don't overpower us while my other cooldowns are recharging. Is it generally better to just let your DPS fall off without any buffs during add phases? Should we be playing more of a DPS Burst/Lower DPS rotation, or a Consistent DPS*/Minor Burst rotation?Quote:
@Amiaze - usually our biggest hard hitting attack would be our wildfire burst, so to use our cooldowns on normal attack without WF is a lost of 25% of extra damage you could have done in WF
*Assuming Quick Reload would be used very often now that its cooldown is faster. -
09-08-2015, 05:11 AMOskurrRS should pretty much always be put into WF with HE and B4B; however, I'm not 100% sure about Bismarck, since I don't really know the CD alignment in there because I've only done it twice as MCH. It should be noted that all of those buffs don't really make that much of a difference on their own; HE works best combo'd with other damage modifiers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amiaze
If you're still stuck on Bismarck, I'd say it depends on the group and the debuff from his back. If your group can't DPS the adds fast enough to have them all the way down for the first time on the back, you can blow WF+buffs on the big add, then do whatever on the back, then just hold onto WF for back (since the debuff carries over a few seconds after Bismarck can be mounted again, therefore everyone can stay on the adds just a little bit longer). However, I'm not even sure if WF goes off before Bismarck leaves if you have to wait for those extra few seconds for the debuff to fall off.
*Assuming Quick Reload would be used very often now that its cooldown is faster.[/QUOTE] -
09-08-2015, 06:49 AMSleighFor DPS you 99.99% of the time use every CD straight away since it all multiplies with each other, a situation where the sum is greater than the parts. It's not like tanking or healing where you want to stagger CDs for situations, usually it's just use everything as it comes up, and that involves using every CD at the start. Some fights will have throttle some of your CDs due to a quick phase change, like Titan HM back in the day, but usually saving CDs for a purpose better involve AoE or multi-DoTing otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amiaze